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I assume, in your tweaking of VP, you nerfed the dps of the Dragon Soul and in turn made the loot table not as risk vs. reward.....personally I liked the way it was before!  I can take them on now and not even need to use the clerics new VP heal spells...and they are kinda "meh" with loot now too and not worth your time (pther than spawning VS)...just something to ponder on.

They are not functioning as intended, and will be fixed.

These have now been fixed and working as intended  ;D just have to see if the risk vs. reward goes back to what it used to be....as of now it has not....but I will say lets see in a week from now (if I can get more play time in) and see if the loot table is still stuck on suck on these mob types.

Any chance we can revisit these, I find it impossible to kill them now with all the spells they cast in the amount of time they are able to cast...

Probably not though as I'm the only one who appears to be struggling with them now...I must be doing something wrong I guess.

Tank

they are hard to kill for sure and if had slight dmg nerf i wouldn’t be opposed. Some things that might help if you are not already doing - save furious gloves/sword/disc for dragons, use skin like drake on tank when healing debuff up, cast vie on tank from cleric, use sk defensive clicky, have shaman melee for epic debuff or use tserrina whip debuff. LOS healers so they don’t get hit with debuff.

I don't mind as well.  A few other tips aside from what Dok mentioned, as I only have 12 toons, I am constantly mashing heal buttons.  My cleric is targetting me the whole time using ORH 3 and alternating with VP rain heal.  My druid is dpsing and alternating with his rain heal spell.  Was druid spell changed as I remember it AE raining twice, now it is once?   I have no shammy so I rely on them as well as pally heals.  I also have pally Crabtwoshoes on hotkey which I use as well.  I believe Pally epic 10.0 is broken as I don't see it's effect, maybe it's just me, so I've been using pally 9.0.

Even with all the heals being triggered, i get anywhere from 1 to 3 toons dead after the encounter from random rampage as well as AE spells from them.  I'm considering making another group but I know I'd have to upgrade my PC first.

Totally, it's just about preparing for every CoV.  Riposte disc, riposte gloves, riposte click, ToV rank 3 (or 2 in a pinch). Shields become much stronger due to the healing debuff (relative to healing). Early on if I didn't have a good cooldown for an upcoming CoV, I'd just either 1) stop dps or 2) DA my tank right before cast and then click it off once he CoV'd some useless raid member. Eventually you can just heal through it but early on it's just about pulling out every trick when they cast.

I like this encounter quite a bit because there's so many creative ways to deal with the mechanic and it's tuned pretty well so a newer player can't just brute force through it easily.

I havn't played for a few weeks in veeshan and wow what an eye opener tonight,  can't even kill a soul dragon now with 24 mostly full UA an lota trinkets  total wipe 5 times. It used to be challenging fun but now its just the suck. WHY ?

Thinking this encounter is really pulling all the tricks out of your hat situation.  Possibly adjust your heal hotkeys and dps ones.  I do save gloves and savage onslaught specifically for them.  I also use GoD and activate my other class dps hotkeys. 

I think you may have to stagger your heals.  Once i did that it became easier but this encounter needs my full focus to survive this encounter. 

This encounter should not be harder than VS though surely, it's a dragon on the way to one of the zone bosses, I can kill VS no problem, rather than people explain stuff they just tell me I'm stupid which is just great  :D

Tank

Has the loot from the Dragon Souls been corrected or are they still not dropping much of anything?  I haven't logged on to play (since VP is the only content worth doing atm) since the loot seems kinda screwy in there.

Ehhh, some people get great loots from them, I managed to kill one and it was like 1 resist stone and some plat boxes...these days I clear up to the dragon and then repop and start again...

Tank

It's very random, they have great stuff on their loot table, sometimes you get a resist stone and a spell orb. They are probably the best way to get AA funneled to a single player. They probably average 20kish tradable aa per kill. Otherwise, they drop flawless GSOA fairly reliably and master plat essence and ucv4 very rarely and will fill your crew with citrines and resist stones in the meantime!

Edit: I'm not sure but I would guess that the loot was never changed but rather a reflection of a smallish sample size either before or after the spell casting bug.

But why does a mob have to change from week to week to a total wipe like zeik in sleeper, no one bothers with him anymore its just too painful.  I'm not following the logic anymore.  Loot from the soul dragon was nothing earthshattering to begin with.  Why suck the fun out of the zone draca ?  Used to be a challenging fun zone.

It just broke for a minute because of some other change and got put back the way it was. Its just meant to be a challenge, in my opinion they are one of the only actual fun things in the zone. figuring out if you can pull more and more dogs at the same time is the boring crap that led us down the t10 zps route. Dynamic abilities that you have to mitigate and make you prepare for are such a brighter future for content on this server.

This!

I'm a bit late to this but I started in VP last month and have since worked my way up to killing these regularly and wanted to leave my feedback.

When I first started fighting them, only my tank was 7/8 UA and maybe one or two alts had 3 pieces, nobody had a charm over UCv2, and I didn't have any of the VP heals or the cleric sleeper spells. Collecting some orbs from the trash i could kill and getting the VP heals, and then flagging my first cleric for sleepers to get those spells made a huge difference in my ability to kill these initially.

I currently run a total of 30 characters in VP, so my experience and difficulty in doing some of this content will not be the same as everyone. I know for sure that certain aspects of this encounter will be much harder the lower your total numbers are, and depending on the makeup of classes, mainly healers.(i have 2 clerics, druid, shaman, and a pally in each group)

I think the encounter is well designed, far better than any of the ones in sleepers, and feels pretty fair if you are actually prepared for what the fight is going to throw at you and aren't just trying to send in all your characters and zero effort it like most of the old content on the server.

Needing to actually look at the tools you have available to you, either riposte discs/clickies, cleric Vie shields, offtanks, or any other methods you have come up with for dealing with this encounter, is a fresh and needed new experience for the server. Not everything needs to be the same old tank n' spank. There is still plenty of that with trash and pretty much everything in the zone that isnt a dragon soul or a boss.


My next point of feedback is about loot and risk/effort vs reward. I tracked my drops for 100 dragon soul kills, and while I know this isn't an amazing sample size, I still feel like its better than coming in here and giving feedback with no data at all.

Rather than post the entire list as text in here to clog it up, ill attach my notepad file with the list, and give a little TLDR of it in this post.

Every kill drops a couple million plat worth of crates, so i didn't include these in the list because they always drop.

TLDR:
55 kills dropped aa crystals, on rare occasions more than one(10k and 50k, or multiple 50k)
68 kills dropped a spell orb
39 hp augs
35 resist augs
a few other misc things like powerless rings, FGSOA, or a soul fragment. Did not see a GSS or regular GSOA in the 100 kills i tracked.

For the most part, I think the loot is fine, they reliably drop AA crystals, and are the most reliable source of getting HP augs for filling out your alts. There are definitely dry streaks where you dont get any of the 'good' loot, and this would definitely feel worse the harder this encounter is for you to do, but thats just EQ rng at the end of the day, you can't win big every pull.

My biggest point of complaint on loot would be the spell orbs. They drop A LOT, and very quickly become useless because there are only a few spells to get with them, and you can get them from other mobs in the zone, albeit much less often than from dragon souls.

My feedback here is going to be biased based on what i currently need in terms of drops, so it would be great if anyone else wants to chime in on reasonable things they would like to see in regards to this.

But could the spell orb drop slot perhaps be shared with a few other items? Like SLS or EoN, or even qvic-t4 essence because im drowning in t5-10 from killing in the deeper parts of the zone. Giving up a few of the plat crates for some of these potential options would be a worthwhile tradeoff to me as well.

Something else i thought of, but would likely be much higher effort, would be turning Lillyana at the zone entrance into an exchange NPC for spell orbs. She could give you whatever reasonable items you come up with for X number of spell orbs.

I don't have any expectation of changes just because I wrote a bunch of words, but thanks for reading regardless.

t1-5 drop plenty off mobs at zone in, you mention risk vs reward, be pissed if I fought a dragon and it dropped qvic essences and some plat boxes..

Tank

And is it better when it drops a resist aug you dont need, and a spell orb you dont need, with some plat boxes? Qvic essence is useful for far more things at least.

 It was also just one of the things i suggested, and by no means something that MUST be, thats why i asked for others suggestions. Maybe you have some you can offer instead of just saying mine suck.

I never said it sucked, I just said there are other places to get it rather than adding it to the loot table of a somewhat difficult fight but hey heaven forbid you have to go and kill the mobs in the zone that already drop it because they are away from the coth safe spots where you can farm away all day instead eh..

Tank

Which it was just one of the things suggested, and yet you still arent offering your own, instead just acting salty for some reason.

I offered my own ideas for t1-5 essences.. here are some more

Sleepers warders..
The actual zones the essences come from.

Hope this helps.

Tank

You seem to completely miss the point. I'm not asking for suggestions for essences. I'm asking for suggestions for things the dragon soul could SOMETIMES drop instead of spell orbs a large majority of the time.

Stop acting like an asshole, Tankus.

Hope this helps.

Personally I don't really have any strong feelings on their loot table at the moment, but I agree that it's not necessary for the huge drop chance the spell orbs have in VP currently.

I attacked the dragon today for the first time with my 12 man/frog gang.. and I got destroyed lol

First question: do I have to fight them?
Second question: if I have to, what can I do with my 1 cleric, shaman, druid in order to not die like a baby? Lol

A lot of great suggestions on page 1.  I had to make another 6 (total of 18 now) to consistently take them down.  Much easier now but I still get one or two of the newer toons dead as they aren't all decked out as the other 12 (all UA'ed but not complete Citrines).  Pretty sure once they are fully geared i should have no more deaths with them.

Pay attention to how their abilities work. I assume you got into trouble during claws of veeshan debuff. You control when this is cast indirectly so prepare for it and use your best cool downs to get through it. Once you understand and can anticipate cov casting the world gets easier.

The comment I made was after spending much time in the zone...when many others couldn't even fight in there...the comment was made on NOTICEABLE changes to the loot table (not by a small sample size)...I still get on and play in the zone. Mainly for Tunare every two days...the loot is DEFINATELY different than it was even after the changes made to Raulf ands VS spawns.

I feel like the loot is different as well... Raulfer and VS especially.... either that or RNG really really hates me.

There have apparently been zero changes to any Raulfer/VS loot, or spawn rates...

Enslaved dragon loot is still awful considering the difficulty they pose.

Tank

Changes to VS and Raulf was not meant as loot is different...that was the actual spawn mechanic for those named mobs....maybe I wasn't clear.  The loot changes I am mentioning are from when the zone first came online out of test...none of this is from "recent" events...I was necro-rezzing a thread I guess.