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[Raygan]

Why nerf this at all?  This is just another example of people whining because someone else is doing to something I can't/won't/or already did.

Wrapping up, after a dozen lowbies earned the Ring of the Ages Rank 1000 inside a week, my inbox exploded like the New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina

Also if you read through these posts are other explanations about this in regards to future health of the server.

[wendel]

Why nerf this at all?  This is just another example of people whining because someone else is doing to something I can't/won't/or already did.

Wrapping up, after a dozen lowbies earned the Ring of the Ages Rank 1000 inside a week, my inbox exploded like the New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina

Also if you read through these posts are other explanations about this in regards to future health of the server.

Yes did read that, but I still don't think this is going to make a difference in regards to the future health of the server.
The RoA changes are okay, I'm not against those.  I'm against EXP buffs getting nerfed.  Especially past T5... I just don't see the need for that to happen

[Dimur]

If you were the one casting the mask buff, farmed the experience to level it legitimately, and then this change was announced you could definitely consider it a nerf. Can you answer yes to each of those if they were asked in question form?  The exp rate relative to lower tiers of progression is already well ahead of normal zone exp and there's nothing outside of the 2kish aa's that you need to advance through the lower tiers.  RoA and experience masks are AA dumps to work on after you've gotten your toon aa's finished, it makes sense that you can start benefitting from them at that point in progression.  The exp mask has gone a long way toward trivialing lower level content already and the change has been long overdue, the item didn't even exist until what, T9?  Only T10 has come out since, so it'd be a hard argument to make that mitigating the benefits from it scaled by progression tier somehow limits anyone's ability to progress.

[wendel]

If you were the one casting the mask buff, farmed the experience to level it legitimately, and then this change was announced you could definitely consider it a nerf. Can you answer yes to each of those if they were asked in question form?  The exp rate relative to lower tiers of progression is already well ahead of normal zone exp and there's nothing outside of the 2kish aa's that you need to advance through the lower tiers.  RoA and experience masks are AA dumps to work on after you've gotten your toon aa's finished, it makes sense that you can start benefitting from them at that point in progression.  The exp mask has gone a long way toward trivialing lower level content already and the change has been long overdue, the item didn't even exist until what, T9?  Only T10 has come out since, so it'd be a hard argument to make that mitigating the benefits from it scaled by progression tier somehow limits anyone's ability to progress.

Well, that's your opinion, and I have mine, I'll just leave it at that...

[hateborne]

I disagree with lvl 1-69 not getting any exp buff.

The EXP buffs are the reason for "stuck" characters. These are level 68/69 players that cannot 'ding'. This *should* remove this issue permanently. :-D

A lot of us did RoA 0 - 100 by releveling from 1-70, as this was how it was done then. If we could do it 100 times, you can do it a few times for new alts.

I also disagree with how you have it staged.  I think anyone should be able to get any level exp buff after level 74.
If you can make it through T5 you shouldn't face any additional nerfs...
Why nerf this at all?  This is just another example of people whining because someone else is doing to something I can't/won't/or already did.
I think nerfing the RoA is good enough...

This is *NOT* an issue of others whining because they can't/didn't get it, this is an issue of the EXP buffs causing further detriment and GREATLY expediting portions of the game that were unintended. Hunter built and added them, then we lost him before they were an issue. Case in point, RoA1000 adds 655k and is was obtainable in less than a week of fairly decent play time. In this one week of repetitious grinding, you have broken T7 HP/regen levels, making all tiers below it completely or bloody near completely trivial. It's hard for me to hear arguments for allowing characters just toying around in HoH to have more HP than a warrior ENTERING Temple of Veeshan (T8).


I should have just changed the EXP values when I brought it up months ago and this entire situation could have been avoided.


-Hate

[balidet]

so... I missed some stuff yesterday and it turns out some cheating bitches where exploiting POF by lvling in a buttload of lvl 46 toons and then bringing in a higher level guy and ROA 1000k him in a few days...


these bitches should be stripped of the ROA at least.... this kind of exploiting has to be dealt with harshly to deter future abuse..


i dont mean to derail this but I was pretty shocked to hear about this....

[wendel]

so... I missed some stuff yesterday and it turns out some cheating bitches where exploiting POF by lvling in a buttload of lvl 46 toons and then bringing in a higher level guy and ROA 1000k him in a few days...


these bitches should be stripped of the ROA at least.... this kind of exploiting has to be dealt with harshly to deter future abuse..


i dont mean to derail this but I was pretty shocked to hear about this....

I saw the RoA going from 600 to 800  the other day and thought wtf...  To me it's not 100% exploit, but at the same time it's definitely not how things are intended to work. 

[warrior5]

How do you determine what's an exploit in pofire? The zone was giving a ton of xp, then it wasn't. It was scaling with good xp, then it wasn't. Zone is always changing lIke everything on EZ. Remember when OMM would #pullzone? At some point it's on the devs to make this stuff work right. I recently leveled some new toons because I've always wanted to bring up a necro and beastlord (to complete my set with all toons). I heard pofire was good again, so I brought them in as anyone would when pofire is useful. If I like the zone and the xp - at what point do I say "oh no it's too good ala OMM I should do something less productive!" Remember pofire has no loot and historically has operated as uber xp zone with no loot - so it's in line. For a while I felt the zone was broken and lame - seems it might be that way again. I will admit sometimes it's hard playing on EZ with every turn someone saying x or y is unfair. The game is the game if it's not an overt exploit it should fall on devs to make it work. Getting hella good xp in pofire has been a long standing tradition - I'm not sure why it falls on every individual player to determine when something is "too good." Personally, I thought it was good, but not too good considering zero loot and still a grind. I have xpv3 so all my xp is "good."

The devs already work their asses off and can't do everything, and at some point the pitchforks need to calm down and put things into perspective. We can't all be devs here.

Anyway just my 2cp.

[balidet]

ROA 1000k in a week is an exploit....


However you did it you know it was cheating...

[Kelordis]

Yeah, but Godtank. Can you tell me that with 700% exp buff and 10 mins of zone pull to get 7k AAs is intended?

That's exactly the whole reason bunch of people are rustled about. The Ring of Ages is supposed to take you LONG time to level up and these guys maxed it out in 1 to 3 weeks.

[CyanideTreatment]

@Kelordis, you know that v3 is 1k XP and costs quite some money right? i agree with Warrior5.. PoFire is supposed to be a zone with NOTHING but EXPERIENCE

Warrior5 made new characters while geting himself his main RoA's and shit .. why not his alts.

Not like a new person cane just go get roa 1k in a week or 2 or 3.. i dont call PoFire an explot or cheating.. simply just xping because again that's all it is.

But most of this server is higher tier and dont want anyone ( in my opinion ) " catching up "

[Raygan]

@Kelordis, you know that v3 is 1k XP and costs quite some money right? i agree with Warrior5.. PoFire is supposed to be a zone with NOTHING but EXPERIENCE

Warrior5 made new characters while geting himself his main RoA's and shit .. why not his alts.

Not like a new person cane just go get roa 1k in a week or 2 or 3.. i dont call PoFire an explot or cheating.. simply just xping because again that's all it is.

But most of this server is higher tier and dont want anyone ( in my opinion ) " catching up "

That's not what any of this is about Cyanide.  you are speaking out of ignorance not knowing the exploit that was used in PoFire.....so before trying to stand on a soapbox and make the claims you are making try to understand things from hateborne's view point.

[Raygan]

When the zone is set for your lvl and then you bring in a shit ton of lowbies to bring the zone level down so you can rape it...that's exploiting the zone dynamics. hate tries to make things that are fun but people abuse them (admittedly I did that exact same thing (unknowingly) during the Christmas event and once I found out I was exploiting the system I deleted all gains I made from the zone).....

[warrior5]

Personally I don't know anyone who did RoA 1k in a week but I'm sure it happened as Hate said it did. My main went from 850 to 1000 after a long ass grind and I have 1000% xp... not crazy at all with eev3 which costs 1000/750 credits ftr. My alts have RoA rank zero.

/OMM

[CyanideTreatment]

Oh i know about the exploit just simply stating its a SCALE ZONE not like u can bring in ur whole army of 77s which you'd like to RoA them. I know very well what I'm talking about

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