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[Digz]

seems a lot of people think bards are a terrible addition to a group atm so i just wanted to run some numbers by everyone and see what everyone thinks, hopefully theres no mistakes as i dont think ive worked with this many numbers since high-school lol...

war uw11 UC 3 w/ VT
Practice Dummy in 502s, 3306085k @6,585,826 DPS

war uw11 UC 3 w/ VT + Tempest blade 4
Practice Dummy in 482s, 3345666k @6,941,215 DPS --- ~5% dps increase

war uw11 UC 3 w/ VT + Tempest blade 4 + bard 9.0 twisting
Practice Dummy in 459s, 3274155k @7,133,236 DPS --- ~9% dps increase

max hit = 12,100,155
max hit with bard 9.0 click = 13,640,497



bard 9.0 UC 2 w/ VT - no songs
practice Dummy in 502s, 1150763k @2,292,357 DPS  


bard 9.0 UC 2 w/ vt + Tempest blade 4
Practice Dummy in 503s, 1202543k @2,390,741 DPS -- ~4-5% dps increase

max hit = 2,356,250
max hit with bard 9.0 click = 2,681,250



monk uw9 UC 3 w/ vt + monk clicky
Practice Dummy in 502s, 2380825k @4,742,680 DPS

monk uw9 UC 3 w/ vt + monk clicky + tempest blade 4
Practice Dummy in 502s, 2606817k @5,192,863 DPS -- ~8-9% dps increase

max hit = 7,026,500
max hit with bard 9.0 click = 7,774,000


warrior is the only character i tried to twist 9.0 with for the entire duration as i ran out of time IRL but i did do a few quick parses with the others to find out max hit and it seems that its a 10% multiplicative increase in any spell damage dealt + crit, the exact amount i'm not sure. it also hits your entire raid not just party which means if you have 2 bards you can keep the buff up on everyone with a ~66% up time. So with the bard dps + the difference tempest blade gives the other 2 party members i tested..lets say an average of the 3 characters i parsed is 301k dps from TB4 per party member (355k from war + 98k on bard + 450k on monk / 3) 301k x 6 = ~1.8m dps from TB 4 in a full group including the bards dps of 2.4m = 4.2m dps which is comparable to the UW9 monk, thats a bare minimum also as that number would go up with the addition of twisting in bard epic to 5-11 other group members. Also, the parse with 9.0 click on warrior is probably a bad example and much better suited for the real dps classes who rely more on augs + mistress of flame familiar for their damage.

remember when everyone was annoyed by black priest being unkillable because of insane regen? i could out-dps whatever regen he had and have him dead in under 60 seconds once i hit the 9.0 with a group of 9 (2 bards) and impossible for me to kill without the buff.

let me know if anything looks out of the ordinary as like i said before i never really did anything like this before, Thanks for reading.

[Digz]

i know these numbers might seem unrealistic to the majority since i'm pretty sure most people don't have uw's on every one of their toons so i wouldn't base anything on the numbers i posted alone. But once you factor in their raid-wide epic click i think they should come out as an excellent choice regardless of if you have any uw's in your crew or not, just hoping i can convince some people with lonely bards laying around to bust them out and see if you think its worth it.

edit: oh ya! bards also have Harmonious composition which adds 15% base spell damage and is ae, forgot about that.

[Warbash]

i know these numbers might seem unrealistic to the majority since i'm pretty sure most people don't have uw's on every one of their toons so i wouldn't base anything on the numbers i posted alone. But once you factor in their raid-wide epic click i think they should come out as an excellent choice regardless of if you have any uw's in your crew or not, just hoping i can convince some people with lonely bards laying around to bust them out and see if you think its worth it.

edit: oh ya! bards also have Harmonious composition which adds 15% base spell damage and is ae, forgot about that.

I run 2 bards
So Harmonious, does this effect augs? MoF pet?

[Digz]

yeah everything, but since its only base damage its a pretty small increase. still, it adds up.

with a uc2 mof goes from 270,409 -> 277,159
NS11 with uc2 goes from  2,356,250 -> 2,405,000

[Chunka]

Affects any non physical (spell, proc) damage, independent of bonuses to the damage a character does, because it acts as a debuff and affects the damage the mob takes from the effects. I dont think it stacks with the chanter, mage/shaman debuffs that do similar, though (wail of tash, malos' malignance, etc).

[Digz]

yeah its the same line as those spells unfortunelly, the bright side is that harmonous is AE & fire and forget friendly so you dont really have to worry about managing it...just need to be carefull you're not twisting it when you zone otherwise you'll aggro some not so nice guardians at zone in 

[Chunka]

Or roamers in other areas (T9 for example).

[balidet]

or you could have a zerk AE criting for 3mil...you know ...all the time...see the main problem with this is single target dps means nothing..its all about the aoe unless you are single pull...i know i dont...

so do what you want..but dps wise bards aint worth a char slot IMHO...

some of us are renegades and only run 6 toons ...

[Danish]

There are other, not so articulated, uses to having a bard on your team. Just saying.

[Hank Hill]

Im curious. (Hi everybody). What spells do you twist on your bards? im so lost in what is good and bad. i just wing it. but its rare i load my bard

[Digz]

having the mof pet on all toons is plenty of ae dps, enough to destroy whatever adds i pull before any boss i pull alongside them dies. I can pull 3-5 dragons in t8 with half the zone in adds and have the majority dead by the time the bosses are down...with 1 zerker in the group. the addition of the MOF familliars was a huge game changer for trying to balance AE damage & single target damage in a group, if they didn't exist zerker would be the obvious choice in every situation hands down. Don't forget bard directly increases ae damage to all your toons since they increase mof damage, zerker damage and even warriors hatestomp 4 damage which can hit for ~900k. Not saying their better then zerker, every group should have at least one...just a nice alternative to people who don't want to run with zerkers occupying half their group.   

main spells i twist are harmonious, war march for the atk (~400atk) and tempest.

[balidet]

with 2 uc3 zerks and MOF/Angryface pets I cant have the trash dead before the bosses they drop in about 10/15 seconds...is this an overstatement to make a point or fact?

[Digz]

again... i said they're not better then zerkers, i said they're are a nice alternative to people who want/like variety.

[Digz]

i forgot to loot angryface on my second zerker that i was leveling up... not that i think it would matter because i don't think i could stand doing the t5 grind again for a third time to add a second zerker

[Danish]

When you get to tiers where the AoE's start to kick your ass, there are major upsides to having a bard on your team aswell :-)

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