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[Bobbin]

3 essences / (20 runs x 8 bosses each = 160 chances at essence drop) = 1.875%

[Xiggie | Stone]

Ahh, that's how he got it. My bad. I was calculating it per clear.

[Hunter]

I'm calculating per clear since you don't have to clear trash, and can kill all the bosses quickly.

So far the drop rate seems about right, 1/6 clears.

[Digz]

not really faster at all, most people t4+ can do qvic/tacvi in under the amount of time it takes waypoint to refresh so you're not really ever able to farm "more" tacvi bosses to compensate for the smaller drop rate. granted this only holds true for the ubers that are farming UW but thats the entire reason the drop rate was changed in the first place

[hateborne]

Preface: I understand that my play time as of late has been ...non-existent.


I will cast a vote saying that throttling old content to slow down extreme high end does come off as awkward. I am guilty of having done it as well. It seems to also be an assumption that everyone HAS the Waypoint NPC.


-Hate

[Anuli]

Well in my case I farmed all 100 (except a few that I bought) after the change and I did around 1100 instances for 80 essences. I lost count after a while...

[Rent Due]

It seems to also be an assumption that everyone HAS the Waypoint NPC.


-Hate

THIS IS THE BIG ASSUMPTION!

if you don't have the FWP click..........the cost to do the zone, lets say 100 times, well 1/6 drop that's 600 times on face value is 3mil plat (5k per grp run) and if youre doing it solo 600k, or you can always wait for public to spawn............

oh and that is assuming tacvi is still 5k per run for a grp and not 20mil per grp run or whatever

so down to the unlucky person, lets say 4 million plat on a reg. WP item to get 100 essences........that's fair............./cough /hack

basically if you don't have the FWP and cant just sit at the end and pull agro on all mobs and kill all at once youre pretty much doomed from the get go on UW and really gonna be hurting for plat for making your augs, but then again, most luck ever, NS and FS need 2 each, so lets go with 6 FS augs, that's 12 essences, 12*6=72*1000=72k that's 1 essence ever 6 runs, 72 runs times 1000plat for each run.......yeah 72k to get the componets to make your augs + the ore costs, ............anyway

[hateborne]

It seems to also be an assumption that everyone HAS the Waypoint NPC.


-Hate

THIS IS THE BIG ASSUMPTION!

if you don't have the FWP click..........the cost to do the zone, lets say 100 times, well 1/6 drop that's 600 times on face value is 3mil plat (5k per grp run) and if youre doing it solo 600k, or you can always wait for public to spawn............

oh and that is assuming tacvi is still 5k per run for a grp and not 20mil per grp run or whatever

so down to the unlucky person, lets say 4 million plat on a reg. WP item to get 100 essences........that's fair............./cough /hack

basically if you don't have the FWP and cant just sit at the end and pull agro on all mobs and kill all at once youre pretty much doomed from the get go on UW and really gonna be hurting for plat for making your augs, but then again, most luck ever, NS and FS need 2 each, so lets go with 6 FS augs, that's 12 essences, 12*6=72*1000=72k that's 1 essence ever 6 runs, 72 runs times 1000plat for each run.......yeah 72k to get the componets to make your augs + the ore costs, ............anyway

I was more referring to the 1mil price tag on standard waypoint, but valid point.


-Hate

[Worthington]

I'm calculating per clear since you don't have to clear trash, and can kill all the bosses quickly.

So far the drop rate seems about right, 1/6 clears.

I just finished 60 full clears of tacvi and walked away with only 3 essence, trying to farm some essence for my SoA's, thats 1 essence in 20 clears. I'm not seeing anywhere near a 1/6 clears drop rate here.   

Well in my case I farmed all 100 (except a few that I bought) after the change and I did around 1100 instances for 80 essences. I lost count after a while...

Doing the math here is about 1 essence in 13.75 clears.

Now with the time limit of 10 min, or 600 seconds, for instance deletion, i can only get 3 clears every 10 min. As my warrior is full t-6 with a uc v2 i can get 3 clears in 6 min, and i have to wait 4 min just to get another instance.  Any chance we could get a reduction in the instance deletion timer down to 5 min?

[Hunter]

There are 3 types of instance too, solo, guild, raid.

[Xiggie | Stone]

You had a bad string of luck. I did 35 a week ago and got 3 of them. I put out 150 t4 tokens a few days before double loot and no essences... and then I got 3 in the next 20 tokens.

[hateborne]

I really don't think the constant essence constriction needs to continue. It's already a fairly uphill battle for those players that are entrenched (so to speak, with high powered box groups). For a new player, they have to drop 1mil for crafting book, drop 1mil for waypoint, farm for literal days to get essences from any zone (more if they are all aug users in their main group), and then contend with the constantly shrinking essence drop chances because the UW (supposedly intended as another EXTREME high end item) is directly affecting drop chances (which means it effects ALL players).

tl;dr - Please don't screw the bulk of us just because a few players saved up for over a year and got an end game item day one.


-Hate

[Anuli]

+1 what Hate said. essences for augs are hard enough as it is for augs and SoA. the UW takes a long time if you farm it Yourself. I have personally farmed 95% of my essences from qvic-T2 and im on UW4. ive been going at it since it came out so I figure another 6 months and I might be at 8. but I need augs too and Im only in T5 with 18 in my box army.I need 78 of each type already without UW essences.

How about instead of using essences, incorporate the UW in your new ToFS zone. floor 1 is "qvic/tacvi" diffuculty (tho its a little harder) and make new drops at a 1% or less rate of a new item, then do a different item per floor so each floor drops 2 types of item to combine, floor 4 in this case would drop the combines to UW 7/8... sounds reasonable if the highest geared people can't get past floor 4 yet.
trash could drop lvl 1/3/5/7/9 UW combines items, then the keyholder can have a low chance to drop 2/4/6/8/10 combine items. yeah? and gets UW away from augs and soa market

[Chunka]

Or.....make the item needed for the UW separate from the item needed for augs/necks/etc.

[Rageful]

No thanks  Anuli

And essences seem perfectly farmable for new players. I agree with Hate about his feelings on the essence constriction, but Hunter has it down pretty fairly right now. Minus tacvi of course.

I have not been in tacvi for a while, but I think the best solution is the keep it crazy hard and just have the Crafters guild sell rank2 augs instread of rank1 augs.

This will keep the UW pace as it should be, but have nothing to do with augs since you could get them from the crafters merchant.

Trust me Hunter, giving away this change(rank2) would not make any new player OP lol

Edit: Or remove the essence requirement from the rank2 recipe and still require players to buy the ore and SLS

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