EZ Server

Looks like there are two ways to fix a class and increase it's dps (through augments or epic clickies) and with this understanding i have two recommendations that are open for discussion:

1) the new epic 3.5 bow summons the Hunter arrow which increases the dps (thanks Hunter) but even with that i have stopped playing my ranger due to the fact that with icestrike augments on my epic3.5 i will do triple the dps am doing with bow (so why not use the augments on the right melee class? monk or rogue). Most of us play rangers because of the fact that we love doing range damage!! so how about changing the clickie to Trueshot and reduce the timer to 5 minutes. it will then make sense playing a ranger.

OR:

2) introduce new augments with Melee damage that can go to Range slot Only (60 to damage) this way the ranger class will still be playable specially after introducing the new lovely augments (icestrike/Firestrike).

i know some of you will say rangers are not broken, they do fine dps. but believe me this fine dps will remain as fine even with high end gear (T3/T4) u will then wonder why am i gearing my ranger for a fine dps?

i always love boxing a ranger with my shadowknight! for me its like boxing a warrior with a pally! since i can still do damage out of AOE range! i try to avoid boxing over 3 characters because i enjoy the game play more than just killing fast! i would love seeing some changes done to fine tune the ranger class and make the best out of it!

Emme.

Thought I was the only one that felt this way about my ranger which is my main on this server, however lately I just put him down seeing as my pally keeps up with dps. sadly im not able to get the 3.5 bow yet and stuck with 3.0 =/

Download gamparse and run some parses. Without the numbers its hard to see whats going on. This would help Hunter also!

Allowing Icestrike Augs to be put in Range slot (and maybe increasing epic bow damage) would probably be the easiest way of getting rangers closer to the rest of the dps classes. And wouldn't be much work at all.

even if icestrike can be used in bow the damage to delay ratio is not going to make a major change to dps (not enough procs)

in addittion,

going through the new changes done to epic 3.5  i.e. Stonewall for warriors and HarmTouch for SK's the changes are soo into the core fuction of each class which is a great change!.

why not Trueshot for Rangers!. i really belive this going to be the best fix.

from my understanding hunter doesnt want them to be good dps with just /autofire from reading his updates to increase dps on other classes, which is fine but when rangers are a ranged class lol what else are we gonna do. yes we have spells to cast but really the spells do what 2k 3k dmg? hardly worth the cast trueshot or dmg increase on bows would be a good start or a fix not sure what to do at this point =/

          LoL i don't know about you guys but my ranger is pretty sick dps imo. Only augments i have in his weapons are the 1hand augments that are made from pod. Tho i do play him in a group with a bard. Still tho i see alot of high crit spam from my ranger lol more then my raid ranger on live ever could do. I think he's doing his job fine and is good as is. Just my thoughts on the speed bump rrr i mean ranger class.  8)



Cracken
~GL of Classic Composers

in theory there are classes suppose to do more damage than other classes (on live game) and the way i remmber it as follows:

Casters:

Wiz > Necro > Mage > Ench.

Melee:

Rogue > Monk > Ranger > BER etc..

this is back in 2004 dunno about now.

are we sticking to the same Order or we wanna follow new custmized order? currently my SK dose double the damage of my ranger which dose not mean that SK's are overpowered but mean rangers needs some buffs.
if you think the ranger dps is sick right now then you should see the dps of other classes (i am talking about High end Gear and augments). my SK is having 3 pieces T3 epic 3.5 and 2x firestrike
Ranger ful T3 epic3.5.

We can not ask Hunter to buff the ranger if some of you are not convinced! or most of you dont care :)

The only way to compare the DPS between classes is to parse it and post the results.  I have no idea what Ranger DPS is like since I don't play one.  If someone tells me it's great or it's crap I can't believe either because I have no proof either way.

        LoL so what if one class is a little behind on dps. Your not going to get every class to do the same dps. IF you want an sk's dps make an sk. If you want a rangers added range dps to your group make a ranger. Now i know what your going to say. QQ mr cracken but i want to play a ranger as a main. Thats okay and an awesome idea. Just remember your making the ranger and not the sk. I'll state it again i think rangers do their job and are fine as is.  I wasn't trying to compare rangers to live EQ order of dps. I was just trying to state that rangers on Ez are way more overpowered then on live. So you should be happy with what you have and enjoy. That is all  ;D



Cracken
~GL of Classic Composers

Cracken, the OP has a point. Even if rangers do 'sick dps' they did take a proverbial hit in their intented (RANGE) dps because of the augs.

lol if i wanted to run up and beat id make a monk or a rogue not a ranger =/

Can you please elaborate more on ranger job? pulling ?no! is it tanking ? no ... Its DPS!

how come you think they do their job just fine if they are behind most of the dps classes?

i would like again to emphasize that this post only intended to fine Tune the ranger class and not meant to be a whine or class revamp. if adding a clickie or increase the damage of summoned arrows will increase the dps and make the class more popular then why not?

if you say that if u want a dps class then reroll to warrior u will end up having only one class to play with? which not what is intended for the game and i believe all of us wants to see all of the different classes hanging around and play them.

if you also think the ranger class up to POD is doing a fine DPS to that specific zone then why dont we get more buffs for POG because we are some how worthless there. i am clearly refering to adding a nice clickie into our epic 3.5.

Suggestions are again welcomed

wonder if a spell could be made to work like this, when the proc lands on the mob it lasts for max 30seconds (prob more like 25 really have to figure out how long a normal fight lasts with out UC or RoA 100) then if the dot was able to stay on the full 30seconds it would do a Direct Damage on the last tick make it kinda high like 8k.

Confused  :-\
Mostly all people in-game was saying Rangers wasn't really on par with the other classes, when the question was asked by someone.
And I know, one should not take everything said in /ooc too serious.

But I guess I'll make my own opinion when I'm on the higher tiers.

          Wow let me start with nub stfu and stop your QQ'in that is all. Lol and your so wrong if you think a rangers only job is dps. Ranger is label as a hybrid class for a reason. That reason is that its not a tank class/ not a healer/ not a buffer/ not a dps but all these things in one. Tho the ranger is not the best in any of these categories but able to fill every role as needed. Yes the ranger class on ez server is mostly range dps period but i still can achieve the other aspects with ease.  

           People were making it fine through PoG way before this new patch of augments were add to quell the QQ of the server wanting their dps  upped. Not to cut short hunters work because I think the crafter guild and everything along with it was an amazing addition to the game. Just people as a whole are never happy with what they have even knowing they can go on playing the class without trouble and be able TO DO THEIR JOB WITH THE CLASS they still want more. Sigh and life goes on.... ;D


Cracken
~GL of Classic Composers

Ok, I think you missunderstood me a bit. I wasn't really complaining. I was merely saying people are very contradicting in what they are telling the noobs on this server.

And I love the Ranger, always played a Ranger in EQ (and other games for that matter). And I know what they are capable of. I am not in the higher tiers yet, so I can't be sure what they are like compared to the other classes. That said, in my trio I am gearing up my warrior primarily as that is the way to go people have told me  ::)
But when he's at a satisfied level and can help my other 2 more easily, my Ranger is the main focus. And I dont f***ing care if he's a gimp in other ppl's eyes.
Edit: Not saying that they ARE! As I don't know yet!

         Post wasn't directed at you , Natahlvin. But the OP. Enjoy your ranger and Ez its good times to be had as far as the eye can see.  ;) Tho fallout new vegas is taking up most of my time now a days its still not Ez.   ;D



Cracken
~GL of Classic Composers

I hear ya, after posting I kinda looked over and thought about that ;)


/insignificantRant on
On a totally different note..
It just doesn't feel right, when trying to track for wisps to get my Superior Lightstone, and I get outmatched by a little gnome warrior or something running around killing them. I'm like, wth! And then I learn about MQ2  ::)
Oh well, mainly it's just comical.
/insignificantRant off

i hear you opinion and it only represents your mentality. if you have something productive to say please go ahead other wise get the fuck out.

 If you guys would run some parses and post some hard numbers,you might actually get looked at. But just complaining without putting in the time to see whats up is a total waste of time and forum space.

 I have no clue where rangers fall in terms of DPS,but if they are way off and someone would put in the time to show this,and offer realistic fixes something might get done.

 Hunter doesnt have the time to do true class balancing,thats our job ! And he has showed a willingness to tweak things if convinced theres a problem !

 Knowing nothing about rangers I cant help much without some numbers. But in theory,imo, Ranger melee shouldnt be outstanding anyways,but Rangers ranged Bow dmg should pretty good. Not on par with true melee dps mind you,but it should be more than their melee dps.

 This is not a flame on rangers or anything,just a plea to do more than complain. Actually take steps to fix this class,if it even need fixing. Hunter is just one man with a shitload on his plate,help him help you !

 gamparse link below,if you need help setting it up PM me or something,I help all I can ! I'd like to see more rangers and such running around !
http://gambosoft.com/forum/ (http://gambosoft.com/forum/)

aight Nidalf, i tried running the parse multiple times but it isn't working for me lately. i will post some numbers as soon as i fix the problem

 I'm curious where to rangers fall in terms of DPS myself. If someone could run some 5-10 minute parses for melee and ranged. Not looking for max DPS,but a general standing of what your weapons are doing. Testing with a RoA 100 and ultiamte charm isnt going to give a general idea. Naked with noobie charm v2 or low lvl charm and T1 gear with combat effects at most.

 For gamparse,turn on all you filters for my misses,my hits,spell damage,my crits,etc for each char you want to parse. Do this individually for each char as trying to parse multipe chars from just one log doesnt always add up right. If this lags ya or bothers ya,send them to a window of their own,and minimize it.

 Oh yea,make sure you do a /log on for each char your parsing. And remember "Show mine only" doesnt work,so have to set to just plain ole 'Show'

      Lol and i hear your QQ'in and you can go hold yourself in a corner. Have something productive to say??? All i hear from you is junk that complains about a class i don't' think needs to be fixed or have any added buffer. You can't make your point by telling someone "to get the fuck out". I have the right to my opinion just as you do. So if you don't like it and aren't ready for people to state their opinion when you make a topic then don't even start one. Lol people bring me great enjoyment  ;D !!!


Cracken
~GL of Classic Composers

id really just like to see trueshot reuse lowered.

Cracken, if you are presenting you opinion in a proper way and stating facts then u would draw our attentions. you are just trying to act like the bad ass in the forum stating your opinion with lack of knowledge is the reason why i said get the fuck out.

the whole topic is to go through the class weaknesses and strength. i didn't QQ or what that suppose to mean or whine. i only stated my opinion in a proper manner i never said the class is broken but it is incomplete. if you do not agree then that is your opinion and noted. (no further comments)

i dont want this topic to be about you because i dont care about you. i want to focus on the class more and get everyone's opinion and not only you.

the fact that we need to run a parse is a good idea but i dont want to run it naked, i want to run it with proper gear to see if Ranger (with High end Gear) will match the other classes.

reducing the True shot timer is what i am also looking for and hopefully our demands will be fulfilled.

Simple, but would be effective and easy to do.

        Lol one thing little nub i'd like to state that i have a ranger so my opinion comes from experience not just words with no weight to them. I'm not trying to act like anything but state my opinion about the ranger class so stop wasting my time with your childish games. I already stated that i think rangers are fine dps and i think they do the job they are suppose to do. Yes lowering TS timer would be an awesome and great idea but do i think its needed. No. But thats just how i feel about the class. So once again if you want to  whine about someone feeling that a class he plays is working fine then don't start a topic nub. Now i have stated my opinion on the class and thats that. So stop this little tag off and go back to playing your ranger.



Cracken
~GL of Classic Composers

I really liked some of the AA's that come at a later point closer to SoD era. But I dunno how this server is going to evolve (or has evolved up to now) further on. And for that to happen, the people over at EQEmulator have to do their stuff first I guess.

I posted my parses of my rangers and monks like a week ago I think but no word from Hunter yet as to what he plans on doing.  My toons all have 4.0 T4 gear yada yada.  I'll run another one to post up to show ya.  They took the same hit in dps that most of the mellee classes took maybe a bit more I think I calculated a 40% loss on all 7 of my 4.0 rangers.