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The first char I made was a rogue before i new anything about this server. A Month and a Half later I have a group and a half and am farming T1. I never made a rogue because I heard all the best classes for DPS are War/Rng/Mnk.

So, When I decided to increase my team of Super Best Friends I decided i would make a Rogue. After getting his 3.0's I was running Tacvi last night to get his Tacvi pieces before the impending change. I noticed their DPS is pretty damn good at that level (I havent parsed it yet). I am pretty sure that naked with 3.0s hes out damaging my Ranger who is 3.0 (T1 Auged) and T1 Geared.

So i was just wondering why Rogues get no love - is it just because they require your attention every 6 seconds or so for BS? I recall hearing something about their BS being capped at something but couldnt find it again.

Any advice from those who are T3+ with experience with Rogues would be great.

I have a rogue that is nearly full t2 (might be full, cant remember). He is on par with monk and ranger dps. The downfall about rogues is they require a lot of clicks. Between using their discs and their epic and sneak/hide for daggerfall it is constant clicks. When I play I am constantly tabbing over to this toon or that to make minor adjustments and this and that. I don't have time to put 100% of my attention on a toon.

Exactly.

Backstab is currently capped on SoD clients...  Titanium and SoF have no issues with backstabbing atm. Rogue are indeed good dps, however they need to be played as a main and not part of a box team for full result.

Well so far this is what i wanted to hear.

I am currently boxxing War/War/Pal/Rng/Rng/Clr

So far in T1 I put everyone on auto attack and wait for 4 minutes while the boss dies rarely even having to heal with my Clr. So atleast for the moment i would welcome a character that i dont have to just auto attack and can work with to increase the DPS of my set up.

So I suppose my follow up question would be. . . At what point do Boss Fights stop turning into an Auto Attack fest and start requireing more of my attention?

In T2 they spawn adds. In there you have to burn the adds down. Might be tricky but can still be done while managing your rogue. I just didnt want the hassle since I don't really enjoy rogues anyway.

Prior to Plane of Dragons being put in Rogues were one of the best classes imo. You could sneak in any zone, even Anguish (this got nerfed post Tacvi eventually). DPS was pretty damn good too.

Unfortunately as everyone has mentioned they aren't a very good choice for boxing. Their dps is very high maintenance. I very rarely play mine in T2. Though I still think its a cool class.

Well all of EQ is to some extent an autoattack kind of game.  Although when doing qvic the first few times prior to getting anger augs I remember having to stay on top of adds and things to that effect.

If you're working your way though PoD I'm sure your first few solo Kronos kills will make you stay on top of your toons.  Certainly once you are fighting 3.5 boss/T4/MCP you will have to be on your toes. 

Thanks for the discussion - I appreciate all of your input.

In case any of you care :P I have decided to stick it out with my rogue. I can Auto Attack on all of my chars and switch between my 2nd War/Rog to grab and Burn Adds (unless i can just tank the Adds and Boss on my Main War).

I played a Rog on Live and love playing rogues (and seeing big numbers). So I basically just want to make this work out. Im just hoping that there wont come a point that managing my rogue will make fights impossible.

By the time your warrior can just tank the adds and deal with them after the boss is dead you wont need the gear from that zone. Burning the adds down is essential.

Ya i figure this is the case. What i meant was that i would just switch my Rog over to kill the add. If i need additional DPS i could switch a ranger over as well. The only thing i am interested to see is if i need to offtank the adds or if my main tank can tank the boss as well as the adds as they spawn.

Any idea what the cap is and when it starts restricting your dps? I've been using a SoD client the whole time so I wouldn't know.

I played a rogue on live and I loved the class.  Just too much work here and from what Ive heard the 4.0 dps just doesnt add up, though Im going to be trying it myself soon to see.

I'm interested to know the dps difference between SOD and Titanium. I like the idea mentioned above, box all the other classes and play the rog as the main. I am currently running SOD and don't like the idea of getting into something with a predetermined handy cap.

Deadend

I have a rog and he does pretty good dps.. Just make sure not to run him on SoD it capped your BS dmg to low. Also my rog attack alot faster then monk so with some icestrikes Im hoping the procs will throw him way up.

Another thing Rog epic 3.5 and 4.0 clicky is daggerfall you do not have to hide to use. If you set up some macros you can pump good dps

yeah Thebone, Enchanters are better then your dead ass monks DPS..

If you'd learn how to click that 3.0 and hold the boss my monk wouldnt die now would it....

It there a tanking school? I wanna sign Fugi up for it =/

Enchanter 4.0 epic pet parses at about 8k dps, and has around 200k hps.

Just saying.

Monk 4.0 with comparable gear and monk T4 spell has over 200k hp and does 10k+ dps, (absolute minimum).

Just saying.

For those who are idly wondering what the SoD cap was, iirc if I remember the way the cap math fell out it was something like 30/40/45k depending on gear and your stabber.

Confirmed for sure that Titanium users can stab for higher than 45k last night. Confirmed showing off those 75k crits. I will never be that bad ass, but I'll be infinitely more entertaining.

All of the damage math is done on and applied on the server.  There may be a cosmetic issue with the different clients where it looks like you did less, but it shouldn't affect how much damage you actually do to the mob.  It just makes your parse look low.

I play a rogue as my main, i started him first and hes definitely my highest geared toon. I box Rogue/Pally/Cleric and sometimes do Rogue/SK/Pally. My rogue is full T2 with T3 gloves, and i have almost max regen augs. I regen a fuckkkk load and DPS pretty legit, its easy to play him, and it keeps me entertained, while boxing my other toons. I just need to autoattack on pally and keep agro sometimes, and tab to cleric for heals occasionally, the rogue is a pretty nice addition. I use titanium and my BS are capped at like 41k... havnt seen any higher yet i dont htink, i can triple them though, but rarely. usually a BS round is around 40-90k with dagerfall. I can solo T1 dragons with him, he has about 65k hp with FG buffs, about 10k more than my pally tank right now lol I wish we could get some DPS ups though, im not sure in what form. Recently ive been thinking about multiple discs at one time, i think that would help... and lower reuses on them as well. Fun class though, my ultimate money maker. With bard speed boots hes a blast just solo, in pretty much any zone. i can one shot most old world bosses without even being hit lol

I'd like to point out, that even at around 40k on a backstab, that puts you second in line on single target burst dps behind a wizard. The difference? Wizard can cast one spell and do it 8 times, but usually spends some time clicikng manastone. ... Rogues have a chance to do it every X seconds for no cost, and get a near guaranteed every time epic click / daggerfall comes up.

The only real question here is whether rogue damage is being hindered , not if it needs to be buffed. IMHO, YMMV