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I think there is something wrong with her/his/it's spawning.
For a week straight now I have been doing nothing clearing the bats on the 7th floor of ToFS.
I started with about 15,000 aa'a, now I am at 23,100.  With an average of 32 AA's per run, that is about 253 runs.  I have killed Tserrina about 40 times and haven't seen Svartmane yet.  I don't just rely on the /tar sv, I actually run hall and make sure she/he/it isn't there.    I am not opposed to farming things.  I have been through T5 different times and geared many toons all the way up to T8, but seems REALLY extreme. 

burn the zone

change the game

we need 1,348,432,123 new lines of code, hand written, scanned then re-written and put into effect....NOW!

burn the witches

burn the ducks

burn the world

anyone got matches?

goats, lots of goats

I've farmed him to the point of having 18 toons above 4k resist, just keep poundin away  ;D he is a butthead sometimes. I've seen two people selling Master Essence loot rights in the past week, so he's definitely spawning.

This so over the top of being a butt head it's not funny.

I honestly think T5 100 named mob takes less time.   

But thats actually within the realm of normality for the spawn rate, if you get bad rng. Tserinna is, according to the number Hunter stated, about a 5% (1 in 20) chance of spawn from a trigger bat. Honestly I dont think thats changed. If so, not noticeably. Svart was, again, per Hunter's old claimed numbers, 1 in 20 from Tserinna. With a bad run of RNG the numbers suck, yeah, but its what it is.

Another 2.5 hours of farming that floor, keeping 3 instances empty, only saw 3 TS's and 0 Svartmane.  I guess I am just fooked. 

The only way I kept my sanity while farming him was to just pretend he doesn't exist, and get in the mindset you're just there to farm resist stones. Try it!

But for real, I only had him go past 40 Tserennia's one time, and it sucked... So I feel ya  :(

i hit 60 on my last run and some awesome person spawned him for me in about 2hours...


I had been in tofs so long i stopped looting or caring...

I can see this taking a day or 2... but a week? 2 weeks? ugh that is just soul destroying...and for the caliber of people who are farming this its beyond boring...

I would almost like to see this changed to a reward from berries or the like from the minis... i know some people will object but we could have svart still drop them or you can buy them for xxx berries ....options are not bad right?

It's when you finally get numb and completely forget he can spawn that he will...eventually....spawn.

Building up resists while doing this really isn't that much extra time with the new recipes hate added. Just pick a toon, swap the magic box to his first bag slot so the stones automatically get dropped into it, and every time you loot 8 of em, mash combine and you poop out rank 10 stones every few runs.

Also, whichever toon you decide to work on, making this button helps so you don't have to loot the corpses from the previous run again after zoning.

/bct toon //hidec all
/bct toon //hidec looted

I have probably farmed over 30 master essences at various times, some I sold, some I gave away, most I used.

at times I thought that he did not exist, but he does.

it was never meant to be an easy farm, the item was meant to be rare. With that being said though, one time I zoned in, got set up and on the first pull spawned T and she spawned him, so /shrug

as I said above though, more goats and of course burn everything

This is beyond stupid, another 7 1/2 hours of farming, very few T's (like 3 or 4), still 0 svartmanes.  

This one time during a DL weekend... I thought, "I'll go screw around in floor 7 for second". Got a Tserrina on my second bat, and spawned Svartmane - with 2 master essences

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I hate you so much.........    LoL

Rofl...poor guy.  Id say sell your soul to the devil but uh...since that is you that may be seen as some kind of tax dodge.

LOL

I actually did get fartmane twice on a DL weekend so 4 masters $$

actually gave 2 of those away if I remember correctly

oh well, by the time you brush the sand out of your ......... you will get one to drop, I usually complain in OOC that helps too lol, come to think about it, sometimes it does work

You always told me you rubbed Fugi and that made one drop.  :-*

It's true! Now get a little closer.

That was around Halloween and Fugi was offering candy out of the back of his van.....true story.  :'(

ah yes, the fond memories of the van.

Did a little data collection on my last master essence farm.  I cleared the 6 bats in 106 instances.  Got 18 Tserina's and 1 svartmane.  Based on this run the pop chance of Tser off a bat is around 2.8% and Svartmane still looks like about a 5% chance off Tser.  I think the trouble comes with the volume of kills necessary to really "grind" out a master essence.  I spent somewhere around 6hrs of actual playtime doing this, which means I was doing around 18 instances per hour.
When I was keying my boxes for floor 7 ages ago...(t7 gear perhaps), I could kill bats in 2 instances and keep up with respawn.  So that would have been 12 clears per hour.  At that rate, I would have been looking at 9hrs give or take to spawn him.  I know that is still worth it, but just wanted to point out this camp is going to be back breaking regardless.
I still have 2 more essences to grind for rogue, so I will continue to track numbers and can post if people are interested.  Just figured I would share the very typical results of my last grind.

"fond" really...of all the words in the entire English language and you choose "fond"........

Numbers are awesome, thanks!

Here we are, 2 and 1/2 weeks into this fooking ordeal and still no Svartmane.
I have made another 15 to 20K AA's and spawned and killed Tserrina well over 60 times and still no Master Ess's.  I have even have Rymo, Madasmash and a couple others try to spawn her for me with no luck.
I know Waraesh got one today but I don't understand why my luck is SO BAD. 

I have been playing on this server for a very long time (since qvic) and this is the most ridiculous F'd up version of RNG I have ever experienced. 

same exact thing happened to me....

its beyond bad game-play ... its boring and pointless...offers no challenge other than wasting time.

I ended up having mix make an instance and he spawned him in a couple of hours. (he clearly is a haxor!)

whatever the math is behind this it should be looked at..

it does not seem uncommon for a person to go weeks doing this and have nothing to show for it...

if it was 1 in 40 tess that would be horrible... but 1 in 60+ is outrageous

and this being a "freak" RNG thing is silly..

Just for curiosity's sake - how many Essence 7's have you gotten during your Master Essence quest?

5, sold 3 and have 2 in the bank.

I wouldn't normally be complaining so much but I already have all the other components for my UW9, to include the 100 LP Ess's.  This is my first UW so you know how long it takes to farm that many ess's. 

Naaw - I understand the frustration. Svartmane is the worst rng grind on server (I can't think of anything worse). At least with collecting the 100 essences of Dminors, you can have dry spells... but as long as you have enough crystals, you'll get essences soon(ish) - that and you have measurable progress. Svart can literally take WEEKS of purely grinding him several hours a day... or a single hour.

Maybe GSoA grind would be worse... but most people don't GRIND GSoA, they gradually acquire them doing other things... or buy them. Svart, you have to stop what you are doing, and do something that is otherwise a waste of time, except for that one essence

But everyone that's played on this server to end-game has seen patches of uber-bad RNG - though admittedly, I haven't seen as bad as your Svart.

Trust me, I can understand your pain....been there too, and about to be again.

But lets look at this objectively...

UW is supposed to be hard to get, and somewhat rare. Max tier UW should definitely be a MASSIVE pain in the ass, given the way it almost shatters content. Now, some tiers of essences are a nightmare (CT, Gods major or minor, abyss now that drop rate is broken [and yes, it IS broken, has absolutely nothing to do with the T5 mini being removed, the rate is screwed]) but by the time you start needing Master essence (Anguish +) zone essences are a cakewalk: anguish they damned near hand you 20 just for zoning in, T7 they drop fairly often from trash and guaranteed from Wrath, T8 the same.....uncommon from trash and guaranteed from Vulak, and very easy from T9.

So where's the bottleneck? I think you found it.

Finally had a couple days off of work to spend trying to get him to spawn.   Monday and Tuesday spent almost 8hr's (minus many smoke breaks) both days going back and forth from guild and raid.....nothing.    I can't even seem to get Ts to spawn anymore like she used to for me.

If it was just 'hard' I wouldn't mind.  This is just sheer damn time consuming beyond belief.  I won't get another day off to sit there and waist my days away for probably another couple months. 

 

I have had exactly 0 VII's drop in my last 5 master essences... that is like..all the tess kills you would ever want to see.. hundreds...

I still have a few left over from before they tweaked this to its current state however...

Huzzah, Congrats DEVIL!!! 
As Devil stated I had a drop today.  Much more quickly than last time and possibly on the verge of a premature ejaculation compared to Devil's run.  Ran 43 instances (276 bats).  Had 6 Tserrina spawns (2.2% spawn rate).  Svart spawned on 6th Tser (17%).  If these were the numbers for every run, I wouldn't mind it that much.  Hell I might even help people grind a master now and then to pump up my new alts' resist gear.  Hopefully in the future people will take a moment to track and post their results as well.  It is one thing to talk about bad RNG (I know it does exist).  But showing the instance count or bat count and resulting spawns would help get a better understanding for people going into this camp.  Yes it is backbreaking, yes you can loot resist 7 stones if you so choose, but until there is real evidence; not much would or could ever be done.

Once the # of master essences you've farmed reaches the double digits, you stop counting your bats and T's. You just close your eyes and go  ;)

The downside being that those who are on their first UW etc likely don't have Spirit of Ninja clickies, and obviously cant prance around and one-shot bats and vamps, so clearing 6 bats takes a lot longer....

The upside being that at that stage you actually might still need the hero stones (no one needs the charm upgrades, lets not kid ourselves, and if they do, a zone where the only safe spot spawns tserinna isnt the ideal location to farm them lol)

So it s a push and pull. But yeah, the rareness of it all really hurts those early in their Tofs7 careers even more than the vets.

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EDIT: I am kidding. Got two very butthurt PMs over this. LoL


-Hate

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You don't need ninja clicks to wander around floor 7, any regular invis item like the Circlet you get from newbie quests works for any of the placeholder bat areas.

Good to know.. we need to sticky tidbits like this. This and that black priest strat from the other thread.. :)

Actually what we need is for people to PLAY their way through content without referring to How To strat guides that remove any of the immersion the game is based on.  Figuring these things out is the whole point of playing MMO's, following step by step guides on how someone else got there while doing jack shit to figure it out yourself is an exercise in futility and you'll just be stuck in limbo until someone writes the next guide for you to follow...

Are we back on not sharing again?  Excellent, glad to know...

While we are at it, let's turn of GPS satellites and burn all maps so people have to wander around and be immersed in the earth, screw this getting to places faster.

Also, electricity?  WTF?!?!  If you want light, use the sun or start a fire, lazy bastards.

Grocery stores?  Eff that!  Go kill your own damn food or grow it, no more buying shit, that's not LIVING life.

Schools?  Close them down!  We shouldn't teach people stuff, they should go out an LEARN it on their own.  This sharing of information thing is so destructive.

Edit - I semi apologize for my crankiness this morning  ;)

here we go.  someone trying to tell others how to play 'their' way through content.   What's fun for you isn't fun for others.  What's immersion for you may be different than what's immersion for someone else.  

seriously, who cares?  does it hurt your play when someone else wants to play while looking at a guide?  

Guides and wiki's serve a purpose, they keep us from getting the same question for the 101 millionth time. This server is setup so that you can choose how much information you want. You can run around like a blind man figuring it all out on your own or listen to the 500 people in ooc telling you to read the wiki/guide. You can read only what you couldn't figure out, or you can read everything. Its a choice for each player to make.

back on topic.....this camp sucks ass!  lol

All these folks pulling for the tit (i.e. wiki information) look at post #'s....newbies who haven't beem around when content was coming out and need to be spoon fed. :-* This content came out and people had to plow through it and figure it out...you can't do the same?  That's what he is saying...how much sense of accomplishment can you get from learning it all from a wiki? Hell why don't we just play your toon for you as well.

Dear Anti-Information / EZ Purists,

When you played through T5, did you use

This Post (http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=2013.0)

Or just kill things randomly until you eventually killed the 100

As I have the lowest post count on this thread(this post is 30) I have to assume thats aimed at me. I am just shy of two years on the server, working on a second UW and over a thousand edits on the wiki but go ahead, judge me as someone begging for a free ride.

 We back on this topic de-railment? :)     Not sure what Orthanos is trying to say in that.   We've been playing on the server for over 5 years and I still only have 89 posts...oh, make it 90 now.  lol    I only get on here to complain :)

Let's get back on track here boys.

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Kruciel, that pic is sharing information...please stop immediately.

I should have to go to your instance and watch you spawn him myself.

I wasn't directing it at any one person in particular but if you feel it applies to you /shrug....a hit dog hollers

No, I plowed through it when it first came out in guild groups...as there were no write ups when it first came out....a lot of stuff is put out on guild websites and you can add to it as you make discoveries....of course back then a lot of stuff was put into guild banks and distributed as people needed later...but that was a long time ago  :-*

When I was your age!!!

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Found this on the "unused files" section of the wiki... seemed appropriate

That's what Krincle looks like when he does his make up real pretty like.

get him today in like 5mins get in kick first wave of bats get her ... second wave down stairs and again and bamm he is there ... Master in like 5mins

Done 75+ clears of the bats on this floor, and not one Tserrina.
I normally have bad luck but that's one bad run with the RNG.

In all of my runs, I have learned, if you don't get a TS with in 4 or 5 clears, delete the instance and recreate it.
If an instance has bad RNG, it's always going to have bad RNG no matter how many times you run it.  Don't run it over and over and over, you won't get anything out of it. 

I have found this true myself. Statistically speaking it's not supposed to be possible but ever since the instances were implemented, that's been my experience.

Just got a master in under 2 hours farm.

Curse you watchyoudie !  LoL    I have been back at farming it for a week now, popping/repopping  creating/deleting instances and still nothing.  Why does this biatch hate me SO MUCH !?!?!?!?!?       

thanks for doing that. made mine spawn quicker =P

Pretty sure getting 4 svarts in under 3 hours last week will be a record Im never able to beat again lol.

Anyone wanna sell any of those?   LoL   Name your price, pp, ess's, sls's.

 :o :o :o :o :o :o

26 clears so far today and only 2 Ts's.   What has been done here isn't even a bottleneck.  It's a major cockblock.    Been living in this zone pretty much since sept 22 trying to just get a single Master. 

Have you tried complaining in ooc? According to Hate, that works. :/

lol  No.  I would rather read ooc than talk in it. 

Finally got my master since farming it since sept 22.    I don't know if it was just coincidence, but It happened right after Akk came back and started working on optimizing issues over Halloween.    I also never experienced bats spawning un-killable vampires with the wrong skins on them again either (posted that part in the broken thread).   yay! finally done 

until next time!

Yeah, started working on another one.  Thankfully, got 2 masters from that kill so that's at least 1 down.  haha

Last 7 Tserinnas have been 1 spawn in 97 (yes, ninety seven) trigger bats. This is waaaaay outside of the "advertised" rate of 5%.

7 Tser spawns per 679 bat kills?  That seems very, very bad to me.  Are those the actual numbers or what it feels like?

I believe him knowing what my last experience was.  however the number of bats is probably actually halved if you are counting them all.   I'm pretty sure only half the bats can trigger ts.   not all of them are triggers.

There are 6 bats each round that can trigger her. They are called "#a shrouded bat" 3 upstairs near her room, 3 in the tunnel below. Personally from my day spamming the floor during double loot, I saw between a 1% and 1.5% chance to spawn. It was fairly maddening  :P but I ended up hitting the jackpot after hours and hours and over 1000 bats slain so I'm happy!

i would say 1% is fairly accurate to my experiences this weekend and nowhere near the rate at which i spawned her previously and i've successfully spawned Svart ~10 or so times for my 3 UWs to put things into perspective as to how much i've done this camp. Hell i actually had more tes spawns when i was banging my head against the bugged spawn back in March which was later confirmed by hate the same week to be well under 1%, i copied that post below for reference.



with all that said RNG is RNG and i know better then to not exclude bad luck out of the list of possibilities :)

As people searching for GSOAs can tell you, when the rare #s get that rare... really, REALLY strange shiz can happen. I've had 8 hr camps where i had like 5 Tserinnas total (and i jump like 4-6 instances and zonepull lol).

I've had that first bat - spawn tser - spawn Svart thing happen twice in the last month too. It is hard to make heads or tails of it. I prefer the tinfoil hat superstition strat.

Fresh instance creations, delete and remakes, etc. I can get skunked for 6 hours, Zexan logs online.. /gu 'Yo Zex! mind firing me a couple more tofs?'

20 min later, 'Want a Ninja clicker?'. Obviously the LAST thing you try spawns him, since you don't keep looking. But a lifetime of t7/t5 farming has taught me that some instances are just effing cursed.. And theres some you cry when they expire cuz they were so good to you lol.

No, my cited number wasnt counting them all. Only counted the trigger bats, which, as was stated, there are only 6 of per clear. So yes, 15 or 16 clears per Tserinna pop. By that number, if Svart actually still is 5% chance to spawn, that would give 300+ clears for a Svart pop.

i couldn't agree more, that's why i'm very hesitant in thinking that the spawn is in fact broken because the same thing has happened to me various times. Ill probably get back to blasting Tes runs this weekend, i reeeeeealy want my UW finished before t10 comes out!

yea I have farmed up 100 of every essence now save for some LP/NTov's and have around 80 sls and a pile of plat in the bank... but I feel miles away from the next UW beacuse of these damn essence...I have to farm 3, 4, 5, 6 and then the damn masters....thats Months of borring ass pointless camping with very few aa's and no real plat rewards...ugh

The ratios here are still whack.... 300 zp's and one svart so far...brilliant..

Tankus

for Master essence farmin is it better to zone jumping do 3-6 instance and do the bats in floor 7 ! ZPs are mostly useless for it !!! i would say around 2h per Master essence is my XP

I wasn't farming masters, just took me that long to get v1 charms for six chars although v1 charms have the highest drop rate on 2nd floor it is still a terrible drop rate....I don't remember it being as bad as this ever before...

Go to 10.5 Master esse is much better there, 1-4 esse is much better there...You will have to go back to ToFS for 5-7 though.