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[warrior5]

This isn't the data you're looking for (or droids?), but I thought I would share anyway.

These characters are mid-low-tier (but with a good set of Halloween gear), so I have no idea what it looks like in T9. However, they are basically all the same level of progression, and I've removed all buffs apart from Halloween pet ability. I have a druid, shaman and two Paladins as well, but I don't use them for damage so they're left out (their DPS is worthless). I left the pets up with weapons for casters, but for the life of me I can't get GamParse to show the pet damage. Regardless, this gives a good indication of pure caster vs. melee damage.

Basically, before they get mana necklace, casters suffer from severe mana drought almost immediately after a fight begins. Additionally, the available spells just don't hold a candle to melee DPS. Based on this data, I figure casters do anywhere from 0-15% of melee DPS not including pet damage, with or without mana neck.

Since the chilled devil pets aren't procing currently, obviously this could improve for those of us who grabbed CDs during the event.

I've also included results from a separate 10 minute parse for characters that don't have MOF. In this run, I removed the BU and CD effects to see the results. Not surprisingly, the caster damage is the same since the CD proc is not working. However, interestingly, DPS for melee with BU pet is either the same, or in the zerker's case, even lower.

For those who might say MOF skews the results, my caster DPS is still less than 5% of most melee DPS even without MOF effect running.

Needless to say it's obvious the casters are not helping me with DPS right now, but I keep them around for when cloth drops, because, well why not?

Also one day they might be the most powerful classes on EZ

[Digz]

All T9 armor, UC3, SoA45(WAR 55), Epic9.0, Level 77
WAR UW11(2hs), RoA1000, T9 Bow, Earring rank50
PAL UW11(2hs), RoA625, T8 Bow,
BER UW11 (1hs + T9 shield), RoA550, Jeweler's candlelight(T7 special range)
ROG UW11(1hp + Twhip Ninja11+8), RoA621, T8 Bow, Earring rank50
MNK UW11(HtoH + T9 fist Ninja11), RoA570, Jeweler's candlelight(T7 special range)
RNG UW11(1hs + Twhip Ninja11+8), RoA318, T9 Bow

BER 5667802 (5660k)
ROG 10743605 (10740k) / T8T9 Earring 10184613 (10180k)
MNK 6305716 (6300k)
RNG 5000043 (5000k)

I think +- 100 or 200k

Rymo, from Japan (not good at english)

so apparently berserkers do more dps then ranger and come close to monk dps when using a UW 1hs/shield combo? consider my mind blown.

[Rakharth]

Yea zerker with 1hs and a shield doesnt make sense to me. I would think there 2 hander dps of a uw11 would be crazy on a zerker cause of there aa's.

[Darpey]

Take 2...
T9 UC2 Bard - only buffed with "Tserrina's Vampiric Nature Recourse" when using Tserrina's Whip

UC2 Bard Primary: Saw Bladed Scimitar NS11 ~~ Secondary: Tserrina's Whip NS11, NS8
1.52m (200 seconds)

UC2 Bard Primary: Saw Bladed Scimitar NS11 ~~ Secondary: Tserrina's Whip NS11
1.35m (200 seconds)

UC2 Bard Primary: Saw Bladed Scimitar NS11 ~~ Secondary: Desert Shank NS11
1.38m (200 seconds)

so... not sure what I did wrong the first time, but these results were more controlled... so it IS worth using Tserrina's Whip after all

Now the Rogue under the exact same conditions, UC2 - only difference is using a different primary (from the same tier)

UC2 Rogue Primary: Desert Shank NS11 ~~ Secondary: Tserrina's Whip NS11, NS8
2.14m (200 seconds)

UC2 Rogue Primary: Desert Shank NS11 ~~ Secondary: Tserrina's Whip NS11
2.02m (200 seconds)

UC2 Rogue Primary: Desert Shank NS11 ~~ Secondary: Saw Bladed Scimitar NS11
2.05m (200 seconds)

UC3 Warrior Primary: Ultimate Long Sword X (Hatestomp 4) ~~ Secondary: Crystalline Sword of Parrying (Angry Nerds VI)
3.95m (200 seconds)

UC3 Warrior Primary: Ultimate Zweihander X (Hatestomp 4)
5.75m (200 seconds)

UC2 Monk Primary: T9 Hand-to-Hand (Ninjastrike 11) ~~ T9 Hand-to-Hand (Ninjastrike 11) (Airplane clickie buffed)
1.99m (200 seconds)

UC2 Berzerker Primary: T9 2hs (Firestrike 11 x2) (Airplane clickie buffed)
1.63m (200 seconds)

UC2 Paladin Primary: T9 2hs (Firestrike 11 x2)
0.87m (200 seconds)

Keep in mind, though, that the bard was not singing any of the songs that he would be singing to give him AND the group a DPS boost.
*Parsing Observations*
DPS Seems to go down over time (has done that in all 6 of these parses), so make SURE that you're comparing the same time to the same time... otherwise you will get inaccurate results.

I only did 200 seconds, because I saw that the fluctuations seemed to normalize - were fluctuating only by .02 million or so... so these results would be +-.05 in accuracy at the given time (200 seconds), however if I had gone the full 10 minutes, I assume the averages would have dropped on all measures.

TLDNR:
T9 Warrior: 5.75m (UC3) (UWX) (Hatestomp 4)
T9 Rogue: 2.05m (UC2) (NS11x2 NS8)
T9 Monk: 1.99m (UC2) (NS11x2)
T9 Berserker: 1.63m (UC2) (FS11x2)
T9 Bard: 1.38m (UC2) (NS11x2)
T9 Paladin: 0.87m (UC2) (FS11x2)

Conclusion: Melee classes are well balanced (IMO)

[Rymo]

add zerker 2hs version.
Original Post

FG dummy
BER 1hs 3973093 (3970k) - without Epic 3220818 (3220k) = AE DPS 752275 (752k)
BER 2hs 5353561 (5350k) - without Epic 4578074 (4570k) = AE DPS 775487 (775k)

QRG dummy
BER 1hs 5667802 (5660k) - without Epic 5064523 (5060k) = AE DPS 603279 (603k)
BER 2hs 8686464 (8680k) - without Epic 7919974 (7910k) = AE DPS 766490 (766k)

[balidet]

The thing that is standing out to me is that you all really should only be running warriors for dps... They do the most damage.. have the best durability.. and the best skills...and have the best clickys...


imagine rymos group with war war war war pally zerk......I have not done the math but..all things equal....warriors are the bomb...just imagine all uw11 2handers and then you hit your dps disc...lol...

almost make me want to play again!

[warrior5]

The thing that is standing out to me is that you all really should only be running warriors for dps... They do the most damage.. have the best durability.. and the best skills...and have the best clickys...


imagine rymos group with war war war war pally zerk......I have not done the math but..all things equal....warriors are the bomb...just imagine all uw11 2handers and then you hit your dps disc...lol...

almost make me want to play again!

Warriors often do the most damage because everyone gears them out first. I don't know anyone who doesn't give their warrior most of the best gear first.

[Darpey]

Another thing to consider is that Rymo has EotBA 50 on his warrior (and rogue) and not on other characters.

My parse I have UC3 (and UWX) on warrior and not on others

So the parses are a little misleading in favor of warrior

[aythena]

Parse for 2 groups on dummy for approximately 4 minutes
Class     dps           gear+notes                                                                   spells
Rogue 3035763    tier 8 geared tier 8 dagger+tse ns10x2 uc2
Monk 2783533      tier 8 geared tier 8 fistx2 ns10x2 uc2
Ber    1509031      tier 8 geared tier 8 2hs fs10x1 uc2
Necro 1110406      tier 8 geared Tse's staff mana neck 10 uc2       (death 3 2 incisor,touch2)
mage 857234        tier 8 geared tse's staff mana neck 10 uc2         (shylo's2,malo3
Bard   530750        tier 8 geared tier 8 dps 1hs+parry no strike augs uc1
Enc     453069        tier 8 geared Tse's staff mana neck 10 uc1         (Breathless4,insanity5,talasian)
Druid   343103        tier 8 geared tier 9 1hb   uc1                              (epic 8.0,har4,frogs3)
Pal1       337312        tier 8 geared tier 8 2hs uc1                              (Zealous2)
Pal2      291467        tier 8 geared tier 8 2hs uc1                               (zealous2)
Shaman 260174       tier 8 geared tier 8 1hb  uc1                              (kiss of ant2,baited2)
War        1452741     tier 8 geared tier 9 tank 1hs+uw8 uc2
*note* all characters using mistress pets expect war.
Tried attaching log but said file size to large any suggestions to make this smaller?
Also bard was not using songs at all /twist plugin some reason is not on my mq2 atm trying to fix that, so how is a bard no songs no strike augs out damaging an enchanter with with mananeck 10 casting spells?
Suggestion: My idea as a solution to even out caster damage.
Spell: Focus damage Enc,mag,nec
100% spell damage increase (doesn't affect mana neck)
50% increase mana cost
Spell: Amplify Damage Wiz(only)
300%spell damage increase(doesn't affect mana neck)
50% increase mana cost

[Raygan]

frankly this entire thing, born in ooc is a little on the tard side to me. casters are fine, melee is fine. we do not need Hate wasting his time further balancing classes, which WILL butthurt far more players than it will make happy in the end.

I cant agree more.  I constantly say in /ooc to stop bitching about little things cause that's what causes the BIG nerfs and people quitting etc.....this is one of those things that will screw everyone over in the end (just like nerfing the UW did)

[Darpey]

Yeah - I just think it's kinda fun to see the parses of various class / tier / item combinations... is very useful

I think the data shows that it does not need to be changed on the melee side. Maybe on the caster side. I'll cry lots of tears if any melee class gets nerfed.

It's just good ol' nerdy fun to have a parsing thread.

[Fugitive]

I cant agree more.  I constantly say in /ooc to stop bitching about little things cause that's what causes the BIG nerfs and people quitting etc.....this is one of those things that will screw everyone over in the end (just like nerfing the UW did)

Sorry, but the UW alignment wasn't a nerf it was beyond broken the way it stood.. (it didn't screw one person over other then hurting someones feelings)

What is pushing people away now is watching all the training wheels and daily trophies for logging in.

Takes 1 day to farm a UCv1
Takes 1 day to farm a UCv2
Can do T5 in <3 days,
Plat is god abundant,
Everyone feels they are fully entitled to see end game no matter what gear they are ie Im flagged there for I should be able to kill any and everything period
Most can farm a UW1-9 faster then they can farm a Hatestomp 1 or 2

Some players are full T9 in less then 1 month from scratch without help inside of game from peers..(with UCv3 spotting team)




apologies to OP for derail just my pennies

[Warbash]

I cant agree more.  I constantly say in /ooc to stop bitching about little things cause that's what causes the BIG nerfs and people quitting etc.....this is one of those things that will screw everyone over in the end (just like nerfing the UW did)

Sorry, but the UW alignment wasn't a nerf it was beyond broken the way it stood.. (it didn't screw one person over other then hurting someones feelings)

What is pushing people away now is watching all the training wheels and daily trophies for logging in.

Takes 1 day to farm a UCv1
Takes 1 day to farm a UCv2
Can do T5 in <3 days,
Plat is god abundant,
Everyone feels they are fully entitled to see end game no matter what gear they are ie Im flagged there for I should be able to kill any and everything period
Most can farm a UW1-9 faster then they can farm a Hatestomp 1 or 2

Some players are full T9 in less then 1 month from scratch without help inside of game from peers..(with UCv3 spotting team)




apologies to OP for derail just my pennies

Lol what you smoking, took me weeks to get through T5 and how are people get UC1 in one day?

[Phah]

Can do T5 in <3 days,

lmao well then i'll just give you my group for the weekend

[warrior5]

I cant agree more.  I constantly say in /ooc to stop bitching about little things cause that's what causes the BIG nerfs and people quitting etc.....this is one of those things that will screw everyone over in the end (just like nerfing the UW did)

Sorry, but the UW alignment wasn't a nerf it was beyond broken the way it stood.. (it didn't screw one person over other then hurting someones feelings)

What is pushing people away now is watching all the training wheels and daily trophies for logging in.

Takes 1 day to farm a UCv1
Takes 1 day to farm a UCv2
Can do T5 in <3 days,
Plat is god abundant,
Everyone feels they are fully entitled to see end game no matter what gear they are ie Im flagged there for I should be able to kill any and everything period
Most can farm a UW1-9 faster then they can farm a Hatestomp 1 or 2

Some players are full T9 in less then 1 month from scratch without help inside of game from peers..(with UCv3 spotting team)




apologies to OP for derail just my pennies

This is flat out wrong on all levels and coming from a guy who has been in the end game a little too long if you ask me. This server has a problem with end game guys complaining non stop, not newbies complaining. This is a perfect example of it - sorry to say. This is all blatantly untrue ask anyone who isn't T9.

Try bringing up a new batch of characters truly from scratch before you go on a rant like this Fugi.

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