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Title: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Loveborne on December 21, 2015, 01:34:18 am
Hate and myself have made you a Christmas event... however, something went very wrong in the process.

The goblins have gotten in our way, again. I am afraid there is nothing we can do to help.

Please, enjoy whatever festivities the goblins will allow!

Merry Christmas!


-Love and Hate


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Stikkan on December 21, 2015, 04:20:04 am
The burnt gingerbread item isn't working for me. I use it on myself after equipping and I am fear immune.  I use on mobs outside of combat and it doesn't take hold.  Haven't tried it on another character.
For those curious, I got a goblinstrike x aug, equivalent to same level icestrike and no drop.  Aslo a gingerbread illusion clicky for anyone and spell for enchanter.  Lotta potions and some platinum too.  Also some prismatic charms, in about half to 1/3 the boxes.  Seen two types of presents drop rarely from goblins, red and black boxes.  Potions in both, more often in black.  Potions tend to overwhelm your inventory very fast, so I just been deleting them as I get them.  They are potions forms of spells from all over game, including t10.
Since items come in presents you got to open, you don't know what your char will or won't get.
Also, I have been killing the portals.  Some are not attackable, but all have been since i saw those.  No loot from them and from what others have said.  Unlikely, that killing them is meant in the event.  They are beefy.  Stopped killing them since no loot and very slow kills.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Kemaal on December 21, 2015, 08:34:30 am
How does one access said event?


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Waraesh on December 21, 2015, 10:26:00 am
Create an instance of Nexus or Stonehive I think


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Hanzo on December 21, 2015, 11:52:31 am
And clench up if you aren't T6+.  I keep getting wrecked everytime I try to zone into my instance Nexus, as these things are roamers/camping the zone in location.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Viciouss on December 21, 2015, 02:57:57 pm
Loving the event. Fun to watch the death loops for people, then other people helping out to clear the zone while people grab their bearings.

Was it intended for the boxes to be req 78 to open?


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Stikkan on December 21, 2015, 03:21:50 pm
Since Christmas and giving go together, I had an idea to upgrade the drops of prismatic charms in these boxes.  I have been looting on my warrior that's level 78, as boxes require level checks to open and well just survive the stampedes of goblins.  Not a single charm I have looted, nor any other player my level is useful to them, while an item that gives a guaranteed charm (after you got random gift originally) as gift or charm itself to another player would be tremendously amazing during this event.  Especially once double loot affects them!  The evolution of re-gifting can be twice the giving! haha
Also if we do this, any chance we can do this with other gifts? I looted the goblinstrike/icestrike on my war that is lower level and would be amazing on twink chars or surprise a newb!


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Darpey on December 21, 2015, 04:18:13 pm
Christmas (http://ezserverwiki.com/Christmas) Event article up on wiki - (stub for now, but add to it as you figure more info) :)

Main wiki "logo" on front page also links to Christmas article

Merry Christmas!!!


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: wendel on December 21, 2015, 07:50:45 pm
Merry Christmas, I guess this "event" was designed to get me to spend time with my wife lol


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Waraesh on December 21, 2015, 07:52:25 pm
ROFL, should have been called repaving nexus with the gooey stuff inside noobs while the goblins steamroll the zone.  Much love for high body counts, welcome to t10 in nexus :)


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Stikkan on December 21, 2015, 08:56:05 pm
I figured it out.  Sharing as little as possible, send tell in game if you want the spoilers.  Secret to it all, just keep killing in your own private instance until port.
Also, the expensively wrapped gift dropped worse stuff for me than the other presents, although guaranteed aug perhaps.  Intended to include lowest ranked augs?
Also, the mechanism that ports me ported my raid entirely first go around.  2nd trip through port and only warrior went and had to solo to complete, slow grind but doable.
I really like this event, I just can't get anything useful to go to the char with the presents.  Always randomizing after looting the item initially just puts less player choice in the mix and makes it a tremendous pain to put any of these items on any of your chars unless you just get it right the first time.. or actually get augs your level to drop.

Edit: portal spawns in nexus briefly that doesn't line up with its location.  Gotta run around if to find port spot.
Edit#2: might wanna extend the duration that portals to goblin island remain up, or fix them.  I often struggle with all my chars to get them through.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Moruk on December 22, 2015, 08:59:26 am
I enjoy the event so far, my group of 6 is finishing up uc2's and will start ToV soon.  I can kill the gobs but its slow going.

Two changes would be awesome:
- remove goblins from public Nexus, if you are bound there like a lot of people you risk a death loop.  Lower level toons have no chance to escape.  I got stuck in a death loop with 5 of my 6 for a long time before someone cleared out the group of gobs camping the bind spot. I'm bound elsewhere now but it wasted a lot of my time trying to break out of the loop

- I love the idea of the presents but the no drop aspect of the "good stuff" means that my warrior is going to have an inventory of stuff he can't use. I don't dare loot a good gift on another toon and risk losing that beautiful X weapon (like deamon looted).  I just wish there was some alternative to allow the items to go to the toon that can use it in your group


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: hateborne on December 22, 2015, 11:35:38 am
Added a small invulnerability on zoning for all zones to help combat the goblin menace.
I also lowered Nexus and Stone Hive gate clicks to 3 second casts to help get people in/out of harm faster.

Good luck out there...they ganked my tea. :-(


-Hate


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Rent Due on December 22, 2015, 01:03:19 pm
double loot or just an "event"?


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: balidet on December 22, 2015, 01:18:43 pm
I an going to be MIA until dell can get a tech out to fix my #$@$@#$@#$@$@% laptop....again... stupid 180w adapter issues again.... but the event I could see looked fun....


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Loveborne on December 22, 2015, 01:38:46 pm
Goblinstrikes, Goblin Stratagems, and all presents can now be traded until December 27th.

Strikes and Stratagems are now correctly level restricted.

Portals now guarantee a present upon kill for the killing group or raid.


-Love


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Moruk on December 22, 2015, 02:50:41 pm
That is simply awesome, thank you!


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Natedog on December 22, 2015, 03:09:56 pm
I got a goblin portal to goblin island.. but repeatedly running into it only ported 5 of my characters in... /cry  None of them were tanks or healers lol


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Scorpien on December 22, 2015, 03:39:51 pm
I also noticed that the bankers around the King drop around 400k+ plat. Worth it for me for like 5 more seconds of killing.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Natedog on December 22, 2015, 04:08:45 pm
I also noticed that the bankers around the King drop around 400k+ plat. Worth it for me for like 5 more seconds of killing.

Thanks again for the help bud :) Made me an extra 1mil


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: hateborne on December 22, 2015, 04:14:29 pm
Altered the portals' proximity to be slightly smaller so it won't require players to run quite so far away to "re-enter" it.


-Hate


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: dopeystuffz on December 22, 2015, 08:11:19 pm
I like the premise of the event but sadly since im only T7/T8 and dont have any lvl 78 chars i cant really participate :(


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Leis on December 22, 2015, 08:13:11 pm
Portals now guarantee a present upon kill for the killing group or raid.
-Love

Portals seem to have stopped dropping presents. Instead they give a message about caving in. Also the presents still have a required level of 78 to open them, as most of the good items now have a level requirement it seems unnecessary to lock the presents.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Kemaal on December 22, 2015, 08:31:30 pm
I love that you guys take the time to make holiday events, but why make it so that only high levels can participate?


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Brannyn on December 22, 2015, 08:34:59 pm
Anyway the gifts could be set to a lower level to click? kinda frustrating to be looking at them piling up in my warriors bags and knowing I have to do 2 tiers to get to the point where I can click them.  ESPECIALLY since I don't even want the loot on my warrior =/.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Akito1221 on December 22, 2015, 08:55:42 pm
Great event, cant wait to open the presents  :o


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Stikkan on December 22, 2015, 09:00:01 pm
Have the portal to goblin island spawn rate changed?  I farmed for about an hour before seeing one now, after repopping previous zone, remaking it, then farming new zone for about 15 min finally got portal to spawn again.  Just so happens this particular portal I cannot journey through at all, none of my chars can... Can't figure out where trigger point is, I see the portal doodad though.
I don't know if bugging or spawn rate changed, but if it changed then it might've killed the value of doing it with such a low rate.  Otherwise, I'm down to kill me some more kings as long as I can go through the portal! =D
On another note, thanks for adding presents for killing portals!  Even if I can't go to island, this is alright.  Do green presents also drop from portals or anywhere else?


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Natedog on December 22, 2015, 09:11:17 pm
Portals caving in right before I kill it.. hmm

Why not just limit the # of spawned portals? :P

Unless its intended for portals to cave in while you are killing it


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Stikkan on December 22, 2015, 10:04:37 pm
Is there any chance we can make it so we can combine these augs to upgrade them?  I got about 3 dozen 1-10 augs, maybe 3 xi and possibly 1 being xii.  Unless we can combine them, many are getting destroyed.
Thanks for all the work on this Hate and Love, enjoying the event!


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Loveborne on December 22, 2015, 11:27:42 pm
I am very sorry about the click level being incorrect. It is now fixed and set to level 70.


-Love


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Natedog on December 22, 2015, 11:44:48 pm
Any chance Essence of Gingerbread can be lore? It has infinite charges.. no need for 100 of them :P


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Stikkan on December 23, 2015, 02:49:12 am
Anyone else notice a dramatic reduction in portal spawns and goblins as well?  This event seems like its been child proofed in response to the complaints.  Not getting nearly as many portals to goblin island as I was, nor anything else.  Besides presents, loving the presents.
Is there a way to add some kinda suicide mode for those of us that want constant mass stuff?  If that's the case then portals would be much more common.
I know some players can only handle a few portals at once.  I didn't say anything about others asking for changes because I thought it was great in that regards.  Now I'm waiting as long as I spend killing.  I can solo portals with my raid before there were any changes, if any, and began inviting others to join me.  Now there are less portal spawns than I have ever seen and we're downing faster than ever.
However spawns were before any reduction in rates was perfect!  Also some bugs to report that is making all of this even less productive.   I have been seeing a lot of portal emote spawns that don't spawn portals.  I have also consistently seen a red portal (to 78) spawn in center of nexus that can't be attacked, also might be consecutive spawns of these instead of nothing spawning during emote can't tell when stacked and invulnerable.  And consistently getting portals to island that no char can enter.
Must kill goblins.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Serra Angel on December 23, 2015, 06:13:19 am
Portals can't be attacked and pets say they are invunerable. Gifts still not openable by any other than T10s. Its annoying cuz I'm T9.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: RedDwarf on December 23, 2015, 06:34:27 am
I am very sorry about the click level being incorrect. It is now fixed and set to level 70.


-Love

Presies still 78 to open after reboot =(, banks are getting full lol


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Loveborne on December 23, 2015, 12:05:11 pm
Fixed the other piece of the puzzle for those pesky presents. Very sorry again!


-Love


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Warbash on December 23, 2015, 02:49:39 pm
I like this event :) only thing that would be nice is for the portal spawn to not spawn on your location and hang out longer before despawn. Too often it pops and I want to loot mobs on ground or it only ports some toons them everything is out of whack.

Actually could it just be a hail which ports the raid?

Thanks for this awesome event and neat gifts.

Edit*** the different level portals which you kill all provide the same gift just FYI, not sure if that's the way it's supposed to be.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Brannyn on December 23, 2015, 04:09:32 pm
Woohoo, finally able to click dem gifts.
Now if only I could get something I can use other than potions and gems 2 tiers higher than my toons lol.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: RedDwarf on December 23, 2015, 07:29:27 pm
Thanks for fixin the gifts =)

Don't know if anyone else had issue, has done this a few times on me, items desyncing after opening gifts
This one desynced after I put old commons essence into inventory, think it turned into another charm, not sure though, essence vanished
Not looking to try and reclaim it back, just FYI =)

Thanks again

(http://i66.tinypic.com/4juww0.jpg)

Red


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Kemaal on December 24, 2015, 03:04:34 am
The invulnerability works in surefall, but not in nexus. I can't zone my warrior into nexus, because he gets stomped on right away because there is a pile of goblins at the zone in.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Poker-ecaf on December 24, 2015, 06:19:22 am
firstly THANKS AWESOME EVENT!!!

now i got an question about that weapons from event !?

choose weaps work like UW ( upgrades ) or that one u get is the one u forever now have ?


thanks for answering !


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Stikkan on December 24, 2015, 06:28:37 am
After many boxes, I'm finding the essence of gingerbread and burnt gingerbread rate to be at least 25%+ (maybe 40%) in reds (can we make gingerbread illusion spell lore too?).  At least 1/4 my presents are automatically going to be deleted since the vast majority of my presents are red.  Can we rush this fix please?
The other huge fix I find that rushing would help everyone is portal to goblin island.  Someone posted above hailing would make this better.  100% agree, atm I am targeting npcs behind my portals and attacking them then sticking to me until all my alts go through.  This way I am getting most my bots in nearly every portal, except some.  Hailing would not only fix this but also fix issues with gates pop while running through goblins, or fighting around a portal, then zoning to island before able to finish killing/looting.
<3


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Chieftan on December 25, 2015, 07:21:39 am
Hiyas

 Loving the event, haven't even done any DL stuff yet lol

Hate.
Is their any chance the invulnerable buff can be moved from qrg to nexus?, not really needed in qrg hehe, so prob an oversight )

Not needed for myself, but a lot do have major problems if they are bound there, so ends up with high level clearing for them to get out of death loops
Thanks

Thanks again for great event =D
 


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: hateborne on December 25, 2015, 01:02:55 pm
Hiyas

 Loving the event, haven't even done any DL stuff yet lol

Hate.
Is their any chance the invulnerable buff can be moved from qrg to nexus?, not really needed in qrg hehe, so prob an oversight )

Not needed for myself, but a lot do have major problems if they are bound there, so ends up with high level clearing for them to get out of death loops
Thanks

Thanks again for great event =D
 

Invulnerability is in all zones.


-Hate


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Raygan on December 25, 2015, 01:10:03 pm
These goblin uw's going to be able to be turned in for something you can use?  for example i opened an expensive gift box and got a dagger....on my berserker...or should i destroy it and try to get an axe he can use?


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Leis on December 25, 2015, 03:30:02 pm
Invulnerability is in all zones.
-Hate
The problem is that with the event buffs in nexus and stonehive are fading so must people lose the 6 second invulnerability before they finish loading in.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Brannyn on December 25, 2015, 03:42:44 pm
I could do without the invuln in qrg


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Serra Angel on December 25, 2015, 04:23:09 pm
I have confirmed with my chain deaths that nexus has NO INVUNERABILITY for 6seconds. In fact I was dead the second i ported in. Then died continuously even before the arrival anouncement.

The goblins are YELLOW to lvl 78 and remain unchanged with the presence of a lvl 60 in the zone. I've seen many goblins con dark blue and when I ran over to them, they turned instantly yellow.

Something is seriously wrong and I have no way of getting my chars out of public nexus.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: hateborne on December 25, 2015, 06:40:37 pm
Fixes/Changes:

  • Invulnerability buff is now 18s in Stone Hive, Surefall Glade, and Nexus. (up from 6s)
  • The portals from goblin death (in new instances or after reboot) will now prompt for a player to say "enter". Once said, it will attempt to pull in the entire group or raid (in the same zone).
  • Goblins in Nexus and Stone Hive were slowed down slightly.

If you are not getting the invulnerability buff, please update your spell file. :-)


-Hate


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Stikkan on December 25, 2015, 11:09:51 pm
Hate, can we remove invulnerability in SFG?  In SH and Nexus it counts down, while SFG its permanent making it something you gotta remove on all bots to do stuff in that zone.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Natedog on December 25, 2015, 11:31:29 pm
Remove buffs by name... for all toons on EQBC


Code:
/noparse /bcaa //nomodkey /notify BuffWindow buff${Math.Calc[${Me.Buff[Illusion: Iksar].ID}-1].Int} leftmouseup


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: hateborne on December 25, 2015, 11:55:54 pm
Hate, can we remove invulnerability in SFG?  In SH and Nexus it counts down, while SFG its permanent making it something you gotta remove on all bots to do stuff in that zone.

Just reloaded and repopped zone to fix that. :-)


-Hate


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: avadar on December 26, 2015, 12:36:10 pm
Sorry for my Maslow Style OOC Blow up - I Personally apologize to Godtank and Aythena. Although i vehemently disagree with your stances and complete lack of logical discussion as to why UW drops are a good thing in an event, other than who cares, which is an attitude that doesnt help keep the server thriving. There is no room for diatribes and personal attacks to you both which I threw out there. This time should be a cheerful time and everyone having fun. Its been a tough year and you two were my outlet of emotion, sorry. I don't ever want to be an EZ elitist, so sorry if I cam off that way. I ban myself from OOC for a week.

Merry Christmas,
Harthek


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: warrior5 on December 26, 2015, 12:40:08 pm
Sorry for my Maslow Style OOC Blow up - I Personally apologize to Godtank and Aythena. Although i vehemently disagree with your stances and complete lack of logical discussion as to why UW drops are a good thing in an event, other than who cares, which is an attitude that doesnt help keep the server thriving. There is no room for diatribes and personal attacks to you both which I threw out there. This time should be a cheerful time and everyone having fun. Its been a tough year and you two were my outlet of emotion, sorry. I don't ever want to be an EZ elitist, so sorry if I cam off that way. I ban myself from OOC for a week.

Merry Christmas,
Harthek

cheers and merry xmas :)


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Chunka on December 26, 2015, 08:38:36 pm
Hate, thanks for the fun event, and the time and effort you and LB put into this! It IS appreciated! Sorry it ended rough, and that some assclowns have to taint things.

One favor: can you remove the invuln buff? Thanks!


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: hateborne on December 26, 2015, 10:13:12 pm
The holiday event was fun for us at first, then became a nightmare as people started abusing it. We have some daily reporting on Goblin Weapons via a manual query being run. Those that spammed instances, knowingly circumventing the one-boss-per-instance setup, are going to find themselves a lot worse off by tomorrow evening.

We will definitely leave nothing to chance next year and glad those that could or did participate found some enjoyment out of it.


-Hate


P.S. - Nexus and Stone Hive should not longer have that invuln buff on zone in.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: balidet on December 27, 2015, 12:16:11 am
Not to be all drama this or that...

I state that this event was super fun! and I was sad to see it over...

BUT..

Please...at least consider the damage that you are doing to the server having these UW (the biggerst PITA in the game) drop in events...


The above line is unfair and I take that back.. I am sure you have considered it... and you may or may not agree that is none of my business... thank you for all the hard work...I dont want to come off as bitchy...

I did get one from the event....its a uw5... its a staff...and not really unbalancing on my zerk but we have t7 people with uwX+ in bank now... its ...insane

and also please consider on the  sinners that you did leave the ubber PITA weapon easily farmable ...you have to realize that the blame is not all on the players... of course they are going to take advantage if they can... hell...if money was all over the street you would stop and scoop some up....

so delete the goblin UWS...hell delete all of these goblin weapons...but please consider that when you punish people...they are just following human nature...


I only wish I had more than a smattering of hours of the last few days to kill goblins...was fun..


thank you again!


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: balidet on December 27, 2015, 12:18:35 am
ohh and by the way the event is still open....dem clicky maps


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Brannyn on December 27, 2015, 01:01:28 am
So first off, the people that abused it do deserve to be punished.  After all, if you were to pick up money in the street you are still required by law to hand it over to the owner if they claim it.  You picking it up and keeping it is still knowingly taking something you shouldn't.  Abusing the event is something that we knew we shouldn't do and did it anyway.
Secondly, the goblin weapons are only a temporary boost unless you managed to get the X+ that you could actually use/wanted. They cannot be upgraded and they cannot be swapped out. They will not get any better than they currently are, unlike the actual UW which you upgrade.
Last I want to point on that it was Christmas, and what better Christmas gift from from the devs than a chance at getting a UW equivalent weapon?


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Brannyn on December 27, 2015, 01:03:13 am
Also I already beat hate to deleting the Goblin weapon I got.  Since it was only a 7 or 8 1hs on my rogue so it was worthless to me.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: aythena on December 27, 2015, 05:38:46 am
Sorry for my Maslow Style OOC Blow up - I Personally apologize to Godtank and Aythena. Although i vehemently disagree with your stances and complete lack of logical discussion as to why UW drops are a good thing in an event, other than who cares, which is an attitude that doesnt help keep the server thriving. There is no room for diatribes and personal attacks to you both which I threw out there. This time should be a cheerful time and everyone having fun. Its been a tough year and you two were my outlet of emotion, sorry. I don't ever want to be an EZ elitist, so sorry if I cam off that way. I ban myself from OOC for a week.

Merry Christmas,
Harthek
Apology accepted and we both disagree strongly with one another but doesn't mean I needed to be rude and spiteful as well so I apologize as well and hope Your year starts off a lot better then it ended


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: aythena on December 27, 2015, 06:00:58 am
Not to be all drama this or that...

I state that this event was super fun! and I was sad to see it over...

BUT..

Please...at least consider the damage that you are doing to the server having these UW (the biggerst PITA in the game) drop in events...


The above line is unfair and I take that back.. I am sure you have considered it... and you may or may not agree that is none of my business... thank you for all the hard work...I dont want to come off as bitchy...

I did get one from the event....its a uw5... its a staff...and not really unbalancing on my zerk but we have t7 people with uwX+ in bank now... its ...insane

and also please consider on the  sinners that you did leave the ubber PITA weapon easily farmable ...you have to realize that the blame is not all on the players... of course they are going to take advantage if they can... hell...if money was all over the street you would stop and scoop some up....

so delete the goblin UWS...hell delete all of these goblin weapons...but please consider that when you punish people...they are just following human nature...


I only wish I had more than a smattering of hours of the last few days to kill goblins...was fun..


thank you again!

I understand your idea of human nature but when it effected the rest of us that wanted to grind out event a last few hours till it was over, why should we be punished as well for a few that knew it was wrong and abused the hell out of it, hate to say it though this kind of stuff has happened since the dawn of ez, people abuse something get what they want then report so no one else can benefit from it, it is the EZ server cycle sadly, Having their cheated gob weapons destroyed is more then fair for the rest of us that farmed legit, and hate actually taking care of an exploit used instead of just slapping some one on the wrist and telling them they did bad, which happened in the past, you didn't see hunter take away the 1k roa's from people that exploited the ripsote chest, Think hate showing he not messing around about abusing exploits is a necessity, I mean I am not perfect, I used to pull with pet in tofs for awhile and I am still ashamed of it afterwards, but this was something that was causing a lot of people to get upset because of massive influx of uw based weapons, without the exploit the chances of getting one were slim, getting one that was usable was even more buttrare, you had a better chance scoring a gsoa in tier 9 lol, but with exploit i could see how that would change the dynamics of the fun event hate created for us.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Rent Due on December 27, 2015, 09:05:26 am
Here is my take on this event....

While it was a great event, I found some "problems" with it

1. Nexus and Stonehive should, imo, never be used as a jumping point for events. These are common areas where the server population has grown accustomed to going AFK for hours, getting MGB's, giving MGB's, completing trade transactions, upgrading xp crystals (miner), doing ROA upgrades, completing token transactions, banking, etc, etc.

Fix: Events should be held in an "event" zone. Meaning, if you want to take part in the event you go to that zone to play it. Believe it or not some people don't care for "events" on the server, esp. when Double Loot is turned on (more about this later). Events should be a conscience decision to take part in said event, and not thrust upon our general masses. It was actually bogus to see our newer players punished by this event by being stuck in a death loop for most of the event run time due to no fault of their own. Even to the point where I took Rent to Nexus to clean up a few times to allow newer players the chance to get out of the zone and bind somewhere else for the duration.

2. Double Loot during "Events". This one is a tricky subject. While we all love double loot, some of us want to also take part in the event. With both "events" taking place at the same time, many of us are left having to make a choice. Get the farming items from double loot or go play the event. It becomes a catch 22 for us older players, as well as newer players.

Fix: IMO these 2 should be separated. When events are taking place, double loot should not be and vice versa. So, a good 3 or 4 day weekend for holidays what to do? 2 days of Event and 2 days of straight Double Loot. These should be marked by clear and enforced start times and end times. This way the population can take advantage of both events and not feel like they are slighting themselves by not being able to take part in both.

3. The dreaded UW event drop! Ok, touchy subject, however coming from an older player with multiple UW's I think I can stand on sure ground with this one. UW's should not drop from events. Why? Think about all the time and effort it takes to complete an UW. Now, think about doing this time and time again. Now think about that person seeing someone just loot one. Its kind of a gut check. Its kind of like, wait a minute here. I spent 2 months or more building this UW and this guy spends 20 minutes in an event and loots one? What makes matters worse is, and trust me this is not a slam, a new player getting an UW during an event. A new player to the extent that he/she can't even use the UW until several more levels are obtained. So literally there were people, during this event and others, that looted an UW'like weapon that couldn't even use it!!! What the....????

Fix: UW's are just that, it is a long ass quest. Even if you buy every part of the weapon it still takes a while to get it made. Its not a "doh, I looted an UW during an event!" type of thing. Sorry, it's just not. IF an UW must be "given" away then make it 1 item per event obtained by the smartest, best player. Notice I said not the highest level player, or the one with the most toons, or the best gear. A skill game of sorts where the top dog actually "wins" the UW item. Which is then tailored to that player's choice of which toon he/she wishes to place it on. Meaning if a person wins that has all level 70 toons then they get an UW appropriate to their level, and at which they can upgrade the item by future playing, farming, etc. Now, I do realize this would take a little more forethought, planning and some actual online time from our GM staff during the event, I do believe this would make everyone feel a little better about the process.

4. Zone bugs, crashes, exploits, etc during events. We all saw our share of LD's, crashing, weird npc movements and even saw people exploiting the system (some did). So, how can we make sure this stuff doesn't happen? There is literally nothing more frustrating than seeing an event go live and then finding every damn bug in the world within the event making it "nails on the chalkboard" hard to play.

Fix: And I have said this for eons, we need a group of experienced players to vet the event before it goes live to the masses. People who have a main goal of finding the bugs and exploits. People who are actually good at testing content. People that will play alongside each other, Hateborne, Akkaadius and Loveborne to find, eliminate and resolve these issues long, long before the event is even spoken about. A select group of hand picked individuals, sworn to secrecy that will do it right.  Seriously, there are some damn talented players here that love to do this sort of thing. I could call out some names.....*cough* Nate, chunk, *cough* Harth, Kruc, and many others. People that have backgrounds in programing and are damn good players that have actually done testing for the large MMO games in the past. I would throw my name in there, but even Hate hates me! bah!

So, these are the things that stood out for me. Overall I like all the events and do appreciate the work that goes into these events. Keep up the good work Loveborne, cause we all know who the driving force is behind these events  :o


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: hateborne on December 27, 2015, 09:43:19 am
In a nutshell, we've definitely learned that nothing of extreme value can be dropped during any holiday events. Idiots will find it, abuse it, and we have the situation we're in now which ruins it for E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E. Definitely going to assume everyone is cheating and build events to stop them first before we build events that are actually fun first. :-(

Additionally, we really can't stop and drag players in for hours/days at a time to test for everything. I tried three separate times for t10, tons was missed, and little was actually fixed. During the holidays, writing up this event was nothing short of MANY MANY hours every night for a week. If we had people testing, it would've gone live the 24th through the 27th. That's a pretty crappy time period for an event we worked so many hours on, to appear, sputter, vanish. Very many people would not have been able to even see it. :-\

tl;dr - Event drops will be barely above marginal improvements, cheaters ruined it again, and testing takes more time than creating.


-Hate


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: hateborne on December 27, 2015, 10:30:02 am
So we're clear, the drop chance was made TWICE as rare and still 13 more were dropped in the 24h since that change.

So far: 21 of the dropped weapons belong to 8 players.

That is literally me correlating the account names that match. There are still more that may have non-similar account names but got multiples. Continuing to investigating as time permits at work.


-Hate


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Raygan on December 27, 2015, 11:23:49 am
I will tell you.  I for one didnt understand the event.  I got to Blacksail and got a Goblin King to spawn and then killed for HOURS w/o another King spawning.  i didnt understand that it was a once per instance thing.  i asked in /ooc and someone told me the way to get it to respawn was to camp out for 10 minutes and log back in and you could get him again....which i did...and it worked.  i figured it was like the halloween event but just buggy since you couldnt get the King to spawn but once.  So to save you the time of looking up one player...i stand guilty as charged. And I did get a longbow 12 and a piercing 7 or 8...both of those were deleted along with all the goblinstrike and the caster stuff (although i did save 3 of them for casters i dont really use)....


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: aythena on December 27, 2015, 12:16:27 pm
So we're clear, the drop chance was made TWICE as rare and still 13 more were dropped in the 24h since that change.

So far: 24 of the dropped weapons belong to 9 players.

That is literally me correlating the account names that match. There are still more that may have non-similar account names but got multiples. Continuing to investigating as time permits at work.


-Hate
Hate you really went above and beyond to give everyone an amazing christmas event and your coding for rarity was well on par for the reward, if the exploit fasco didn't happen, it honestly wouldn't of been so bad, Love how you implemented unique augs to the server for this event, and that alone was an amazing addition, I like the idea you had one halloween where you had uw a potential but a limited amount would drop randomly, and I really loved the goblin weapon ideas, only thing I could say next time if you ever recover from this is maybe making weapons that are not UW level but beyond the stats of the tier that the rank would be, then it wouldn't make those that think anything anyone else has beside them is wrong, just some ideas, still loved the event :) Keep up the good work. Side not will gob weapons work in pet packs in the future? Great concept implenting event uniques maybe next time not so UW level but more on par with special unique bonuses more damage then respective tier would or level.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: warrior5 on December 27, 2015, 02:29:39 pm
I stand guilty along with Orthanos, and with no useful gob weapons to show for it (although I didn't realize the mechanic till yesterday). I'll admit while I didn't understand the event, I thought the mechanics were too simple to be unintentional. However, it did seem broken - I still wasn't sure. Truthfully, I'm not a programmer, but I am a gamer. If I can figure out a mechanic I want to use it (just like spawning Angry in housegarden). It can be difficult to know what's intended and what isn't, but usually you know in your gut. There was no official announcement regarding one king that i know of. As of Saturday midday before this post I was looking for Akka or Hate online to report it. Without testing this is guaranteed to happen again, especially when the rewards are good.

Despite my failure here I loved the event. It was fun, engaging, and felt old school Hunter with people dying all over the place. For my part I'm very happy deleting the two low level gob weapons I got, but neither of them will be used anyway as they are inferior weapons for me. Using the mechanic yielded no additional strikes that I actually needed, and only a few essences.

If I or others who used the mechanic had received a uwix or above I could see how that would be a problem.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: hateborne on December 27, 2015, 05:42:04 pm
21 Goblin Weapons belonging to those that spammed instances were deleted. I manually backed up the list too for those that want to try to fight/appeal it. There are still several that got one of them without spamming instances and those will be kept. Next year, we will likely use beefed-up versions of the on-tier weapons instead of 'frozen in time' UWs given the abuse that it helped spurn.

Admittedly, we were not overly clear that it was intended for 1 king per instance. However, if players got OMM over and over by simply camping out and back in, I'm 99% certain one wouldn't go "Oh, must be a feature!". This being the case, only the Goblin Weapons are being removed. No suspension/banhammer/tar&feather will occur.

If you want to appeal or contest this, email myself && CC Loveborne and Akkadius.

To: Hateborne@gmail.com
CC: Loveborne33@gmail.com, Akkadius@live.com


-Hate


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: hateborne on December 27, 2015, 05:43:49 pm
Also, if your goblin weapon just lost an augment (assuming you still have it), '/say #claim' to get it back. :-D


-Hate


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Raygan on December 27, 2015, 07:23:55 pm
Quote
I'm 99% certain one wouldn't go "Oh, must be a feature!".

That kinda made me laugh...I honestly didn't think that...I just thought it was bugged  :o


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Moruk on December 27, 2015, 09:38:16 pm
Get rid of UW clones and Charm Prism upgrades all together from special events like Christmas and Halloween.  Replace them with EoN and SLS.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: aythena on December 28, 2015, 02:54:25 am
Get rid of UW clones and Charm Prism upgrades all together from special events like Christmas and Halloween.  Replace them with EoN and SLS.
Free eons would be worse then getting prism upgrades and these prism upgrades were the only way I could let those who were too low to farm event get some enjoyment out of it, I admit I struggled farming for days for my first UC before prisms, but thanks to hates new system it made farming UC's for alts a lot more smooth, Plus their was double loot, if you wanted eon's could of got double the amount per run :)


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Chieftan on December 28, 2015, 01:10:57 pm
Goblinstrikes, Goblin Stratagems, and all presents can now be traded until December 27th.

Strikes and Stratagems are now correctly level restricted.

Portals now guarantee a present upon kill for the killing group or raid.


-Love

Dang i missed this, and have some stuck on a char that cant use em, lmao
o'well my fault for not reading, delete button at the ready......

Thanks for the fun event =)



Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: Stikkan on December 28, 2015, 01:54:55 pm
Get rid of UW clones and Charm Prism upgrades all together from special events like Christmas and Halloween.  Replace them with EoN and SLS.

Except many players deleted their gob uw to chance another that wasn't low rank.  I came across 5-8 goblin uws without cheating and only kept 1.  Keep it as it, don't put them in again.  They've already been nerfed to almost worthlessness and back.  Epic augs and all but uw proc were taken off.  Now epic is back.  I got 1 rk 9 1hb, this did not make the event fruitful.  Portal farming and a chance at gsoa were the only things in the event worth doing for me.  I did king first few days, then burnt all my maps I had stashed in 1 night.  After that I didn't go into portal again unless I was about to afk.  Delete portal to goblin island altogether, turn on nexus xmas portals leave stonehive off, giving players options to do stuff and not be interfered.
No matter wtf anyone wants to say, all I experienced is the event and a post that implied longer intent.  Event didn't go as long as suggested, rest has nothing to do with me.  If changes gotta be made, ok.  Let's turn it back on.


Title: Re: Merry Christmas!
Post by: balidet on December 28, 2015, 02:04:13 pm
uw drops = bad

no uw drops = good


thank you for the event

I look forward to the next one.


now back to t10