EZ Server

hi,

I got a bard and i would like to know wihch song are you using at hight end level ?

Check here

http://ezserver.org/songs-t62.html

After reading the other thread, which is somewhat outdated since the nurf, Here is what I've been using lately:

1. War March of Muram
Increase Attack Speed by 60% (V2 Haste)
Increase STR by 72 (L68) to 75 (L74)
Increase ATK by 38 (L68) to 40 (L76)
Increase Damage Shield by 23 (L68) to 25 (L78)

2. Ancient Call
Increase Spell Damage by 30%
Increase Haste v3 by 30%

3. Chorus of Life
Increase Hitpoints by 25 (L69) to 26 (L72) per tick
Increase Mana by 22 (L69) to 24 (L78) per tick
(actually heals 400hp per tick with epic 1.5)

4. Psalm of Veeshan
Increase Damage Shield by 12 (L63) to 15 (L78)
Increase All Resists by 73 (L63) to 80 (L70)
Increase AC by 7 (L63) to 8 (L72)



The suggestion of Amplification / Denons / Denons / Denons / Denons is interesting. This being my first bard I have not tried this combo yet. Does anyone know if it works well for soloing??


Also, Shy said:
War March is v1
Comp of Ervaj is v2
Ancient Call is v3

So you can get an extra 10% Haste by swapping in Comp of Ervaj. Makes sense that it would do more damage than a DS if you've got high dps in your group like rangers/monks.

Other Options to consider:
1. Storm Blade
Add Proc: Storm Blade Strike rate mod 400

Does anyone use anything different??

Just found this on the old forums, thought I'd add it to this thread.

Originally posted by JPM:

There are essentially 5 types of haste.

There is worn haste - this is your FBSS/Cloak of Flames/Noobie Charm/whatever.

There is v1 spell haste. This is what the vast majority of haste buffs are: alacrity, speed of salik, swift like the wind, etc.

There is v2 spell haste which I believe is only featured on 2 spells - melody of ervaj and composition of ervaj.

There is v3 spell haste which is whats known as 'overhaste'. This is what many clickies and bard spells like Ancient: Call of Power are.

Lastly, there are haste disciplines available to some classes. These stack with everything.

So, how does stacking work?

Well, there is a cap of 100% haste for the worn haste + v1 + v2 haste. So, having 60% v1 haste, a 46% haste item, and a 10% v2 song playing only equals 100% haste. Keep in mind that the v2 haste was added at a time (luclin) where most players did not have a 40% haste item, and thus were not hitting the 100% haste cap with v1 and worn haste.

Then there is whats known as overhaste (or v3) - the bard's bread and butter. The vast majority of players do not know that overhaste is capped at 25% (assuming you have 100% v1 + v2 + worn haste which everbody does). The maximum amount of haste you may have from any combination of worn + v1 + v2 + v3 is 125%. Yes, that means the difference between the 25% and 30% overhaste song for bards means nothing if you are buffed (obviously the two spells have different DD modifiers though, but thats unrelated to this).

So bards can provide 25% overhaste to the group? Yes, but there are easily available overhaste clickies starting from BoT (5%) to PoTime (8%) to LDoN/Qvic (10%). So, a bard in reality is merely bringing 15% (additive) over haste to the group (if you want to get into multiplicative terms, its even less, but I'd imagine most people don't care enough about a game to know that).

At the moment, that is basically the bards only meaningful contribution to a group (in addition to pitiful melee DPS).

Anyhow, the bottom line is this - if a bard's contributions to the group (usually via buffing everyone else's damage) are less than what could be achieved by putting a DPS class in place of the bard, then what is the point of the bard?

This information about haste caps on this server is incorrect. I have parsing information already posted on this forum with and without my brawlers (127%). There is a notable difference in amount of swings. I will follow up with this with parsing information to put this to rest.

Hey buddy wheres the parses at?
Looks like we need to sit at the practice dummies and tell jokes on vent while we get a few hours of data

That sounds like a very good idea, lol.

well very very basic parses (like 3x 10min) showed its worth having a bard in the monk or ranger group depending on total group make up.
Songs.. really depends on the zone and group the bards in.
stack the haste and stormblade.
If I actually take the time to tab to the bard I also have my dots loaded. I'll attempt a resist debuff with the pocket enc or shm if they are around then pop dots

This info still pretty much hold true?

Been a while since I played my bard. Ancient call spell dmg is nerfed I think. The rest seems solid.

any updates on this you famous bards. I want to learn from the masters.

Help me decide what i should cast with a group like

WAR/MNK/SK/CLR/SHM/BRD

Thank you in advance masters

There are some tweaks you can do to squeeze the most out of Bard party DPS, but my experience on my one and only main are along the same lines of what has been posted already:

Melee group: Warmarch, Call of Power (for overhaste, spell dmg is borked), Storm Blade

Caster / Healer Group: Chorus of XXXX to help regen issues slightly + Play Solo songs

Solo: Warmarch if not near haste cap OR Call of Power if UC'd etc. , Overaided Ballad of Flame, Storm Blade, End with Denon's.

I'd like to note that this is for pure dps, and that there are TONS of combinations for utility. Though EZ is mostly tank and spank, it is hard to beat a an EZ bard for on-the-fly versatility.

Also, iirc, Amplify + Denon's DID NOT WORK FOR ME as of last month when I revisited it. Better off saving a dot spell page for when you want to pop Puretone. Also, on the note of Puretone: It gives us some of the highest UNGEARED sustained dmg on EZ, but only for the duration once every 30 minutes.

TL;DR: Overhatse, Denon's Bereavement, and Storm Blade should never leave your spell bar.

thanks for this knowledge

What if you went every other song Buff, dot, Buff, dot, Buff, dot, Buff, dot, Buff. Then Use /Melody 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9.  Would this increase Damage output? Does Sorc increase Bard Dots? Wouldn't Increase Bard DPS too?

The most I have ever seen weaved on a bard is 5 or 6 songs. Even if you did all 6 of those songs, or hell, even fit in 9 and they were all dots you would not add any measurable amount of dps.

Messed around with it last night. Yes, you won't be weaving 5 songs but you will adding 4 DOTS on the mob. I was weaving  3 song consistently. I can see this would be beneficial in long fights say T3/T4 fights. You are adding the DPS of the DOTs, along with attack damage with Procs. I guess if you put proper Songs in certain slots you can still benefit from the Hast songs.

I guess I am just asking if we are exploring all option when we considering  DPS per class  or are we just judging DPS on a  Hack and Slash method?

Do Sorc help Bard DOTs and DD?

The sorc does not add to damage. Best I was able to get on any dot was 130. Best dd was 2457. Takes a tick for it to land. 2457/6 = 409 dps. Even if you got 10 dots to land that would still only be about 620 dps or so. Like I said, not measurable when hack and slash will get you up to 60k dps. Even without a ultimate charm you are going to get a hell of a lot more dps from swords and procs alone. Best to throw on some haste and some regen and maybe a ds.

I am getting 1240 per tick DOT with crit 2480. I haven't got the T3/t4 songs yet.  I think on of them is DOT spell. This is on MCP last night.

What is the Formula for determining DPS rate?

a tic is 6 seconds. Dots land once per tic. Even with the crit, 2480 = 413 dps. Barely anything compared to melee and proc dps.

I feel like DPS would be damage produced per unit second.

1240 per tick at 1 tick per 6 seconds leads me to think the non-crit dps is 1240/6 for this song.  Thoughts?

Umm, that is what I said? Confused.

Thanks

no, you beat me to it by seconds, Xig.  When I hit reply yours wasn't on there yet ;-)

Gotcha gotcha.

Does Ancient Call of Power really add 30% spell damage to the whole group?

So my 1.5 wizard could nuke for 6k + 30% = ~8k?

Yes, I am pretty sure, damn near positive it does add 30% to spell damage. Unfortunately it does not add anything to proc damage.

If it did, everyone would be running with a bard :)

bard 30% dmg song doesn't effect augment procs but their 3.0 clicky does, and effects everything from aug procs to proc heals. Its a noticeably high amount of crit too at that so it scales very well depending on your augs/gear...helped me a lot on healing when i was breaking into t3/t4.

100% uptime too, although a bit of high maintance but nothing a macro can't solve.

The 30% damage song isn't adding 30% to my wizard nukes. They're going from 6100 to 7300, a gain of about 20%. It's probably in the way damage bonuses don't stack completely. I also have the staff that adds 50% damage, etc.

Umm, what spell are you casting on your wizard?

Ancient call of something, the level 70 one that does 30% spell damage and v3 haste.

No I mean the damage spell you are casting with your wizard. Ether Flame has a base of 6500, but your getting 6100 modded up to 7300. My wizard casts 20k crits with a sorc 1 and no bard while casting ether flame.

I'm using ancient core fire, 0 cast time vs 8.0 second base.

Is there an updated list of what BRD songs to play? My current group set up is War, Ranger, Cleric, Paly, Zerker and Bard.

Ancient Call of Power is the bard song you refer to...only problem is it is up to 70...post 70 it has reduced damage (of course i guess something is better than nothing)

I would like to see some suggested songs as well...

I twist Chorus of the Risen II, Elemental A Capella II, Harmonious Composition III, Stampede of the Wee and epic. I swap out songs as needed....A Capella, for example, can vanish in some zones in favor of Tempest Blade if I have pets up, or War March for attacks.

I use:

Chorus of the Risen II
Tempest Bald IV
Harmonious Composition III
Stampede of the Wee II
Epic 7

Tserrina Whip Mainhand Epic offhand