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Title: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Tornasu on June 29, 2012, 03:00:06 am
So as Im sure a few have noticed, the BoT quest isnt chainable anymore. With Ninja Vs costing 1.5+m per, Im struggling to see another way to make plat as effectively. I can understand the nerf, because some were creating 18 man raids and making 500k and hour or so, which really trivialized money/time needed to get these strikes.

However with the no training rule in effect in velks, I can pull about 50-75k an hour there.

So I guess this is more a post for hunter, but do you have any other ideas to even out gearing chars vs time? Or is it just going to be HoH and velks grinding from here out? If anyone has some tips for plat, PM me and im willing to trade drag minors, majors, gods minors, etc for some information.

Cheers!


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: metsu on June 29, 2012, 04:17:04 am
Spend 1K and you can train all you want.


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Tornasu on June 29, 2012, 05:39:35 am
Really wasnt sure on that whole situation, seeing as hunter as code that reads trains. Thanks for the tip tho. Wasnt sure if there was a server issue that caused lag when the castle was trained or what


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Natedog on June 29, 2012, 09:21:51 am
Really wasnt sure on that whole situation, seeing as hunter as code that reads trains. Thanks for the tip tho. Wasnt sure if there was a server issue that caused lag when the castle was trained or what

No training rule is effect for the public version of custom zones.. it requires someone to fraps you and report you.. and I doubt you will fraps yourself and report yourself in a solo instance  ;D


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Brokyn on June 29, 2012, 11:57:39 am
No training rule is effect for the public version of custom zones.. it requires someone to fraps you and report you.. and I doubt you will fraps yourself and report yourself in a solo instance  ;D

Depends if they are roleplaying a lawful good toon...


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Griz on June 29, 2012, 02:17:27 pm
Even with the 10 mob train rule you can do 6-9 mob pulls in pub, kill them, loot, and repeat, and do it faster than the respawn.


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Tornasu on June 29, 2012, 02:31:23 pm
As hate and I believe someone else said before, this server is connected in alot of weird ways. The tiki spawns in T1 for example being connected to instances for spawn time.

This thread got derailed, so velks is on the table for money - looks like about 100k per hour in BDs etc.

Hows everyone else making plat these days? With anguish out costing like 8m total for VIIIs surely theres something else out there?



Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Fliker on June 29, 2012, 04:28:38 pm
I have racked up quit a bit of plat while in Ldon 4 and HoH grinding away at UC's which the toons will need anyway to make those augs work to their full potential.


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: metsu on July 01, 2012, 10:40:56 pm
Hows everyone else making plat these days? With anguish out costing like 8m total for VIIIs surely theres something else out there?



If i told you how Bill Gates earns his money, could you do the same and earn as much?


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Sebastionleo on July 02, 2012, 05:24:52 am
Hows everyone else making plat these days? With anguish out costing like 8m total for VIIIs surely theres something else out there?



If i told you how Bill Gates earns his money, could you do the same and earn as much?

Completely different situation, Bill Gates took years of hard work and backstabbing to get where he is. It took people here probably days to figure out how to farm plat.


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: metsu on July 02, 2012, 05:52:28 am
Hows everyone else making plat these days? With anguish out costing like 8m total for VIIIs surely theres something else out there?



If i told you how Bill Gates earns his money, could you do the same and earn as much?

Completely different situation, Bill Gates took years of hard work and backstabbing to get where he is. It took people here probably days to figure out how to farm plat.

so earning plats is easy on this server, then why are ppl asking stupid questions ??too lazy to even think of an easy problem ?


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Tornasu on July 02, 2012, 05:01:24 pm
Hows everyone else making plat these days? With anguish out costing like 8m total for VIIIs surely theres something else out there?



If i told you how Bill Gates earns his money, could you do the same and earn as much?



Completely different situation, Bill Gates took years of hard work and backstabbing to get where he is. It took people here probably days to figure out how to farm plat.

so earning plats is easy on this server, then why are ppl asking stupid questions ??too lazy to even think of an easy problem ?

What seb pointed out is that that money was made through 18main raids earning 360k an hour, which probably took an hour to figure out you could make this single task into a massive raid.

Im not sure if youre trolling, or just lacking......so i'll put it this way. LDON4 charm/plat farming is about 40-50k an hour + points. Velks farmed(trained) in an instance is hovering around 85k-100k an hour. BoT with a single group(not overpowered in my opinion) is 120k an hour on the dot. The difference being the type of farming.

Math
EXCLUDING the CG quest to get in, a FSV is 2.5m total. Each knight class, assuming you only use 1 is 2.5m * 3(4.0epic) 7.5mill. Converting that into hours of farming thats 62.5hours of farming plat via group in BoT to gear 1 toon with augs.     Velks@90k = 83.3hours    LDON@50k= 150 hours

LDON4 we will put at 50k an hour, needing 25 of each charm for your UC, which the paladin benefits the most out of(see other threads to confirm) produces about 2.5k- 3k points / hr farmed(See Xiggies post on UC farmhttp://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=2273.0 (http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=2273.0)) on average with oracle drops added in for luck. Charm upgrades being 2k would mean a total LDON credit need of 200,000 credits(lets say 150-160k needed if you get ALL of your oracles from LDON)

Using xiggies method and 2.7k as an intermediate value the UC farm from LDON takes 74.04 hours of farming per UC *6 for T5 = 444hrs needed

Leaving a gap of 76 hours of farming plat via LDON, now apply that to each character(the math is slightly different but hovers around the same numbers/hours) The remainder of the plat could be made via BOT farm = 31.6 hrs and Velks = 42.2 hrs

Additional information
People were making 18 man raids and doing BoT grind for as long as the quest has been out if Im not mistaken(it is a task, thereby allowing that from quest implementation), correct me if im wrong. It just creates and very large gap between those who already used the quest to get what they need and those starting their augs.

I also believe in T6 mob drop 75k bags of plat, making things a bit easier when you get to that tier.

Suggestion
Make the UC a flag that allows for the creation of a group task in BoT that is repeatable to slightly lessen the grind for the additional augs. This would allow for the first UC to be a big grind that allowed you to gain access to a more efficient way to gain plat for the augs needed on other chars/etc; while still being in line with server progression - it in fact encourages it.

How is that for being lazy? As I said this post was more directed toward hunter. All of the math is here to look at though, and ultimately it would be his call.

Cheers!


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: metsu on July 02, 2012, 07:57:31 pm
you are not a mechine that can farm velks for hours, you'll get burn out maybe in 2 days and quit.

im sure you guys have seen essences which sells for good money in game especially Abyss and Anguish which will go for millions, go hunt there, you never know when you'll get lucky.

OR..

Velk @100k/hr, farm 10 hour/day = 1M/day. after 1 month, congratz!you've got 30Million, but im sure you'll quit at about 2nd day :)


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Sebastionleo on July 02, 2012, 09:31:57 pm
That money people are spending on essences has to come from somewhere, or eventually are all the people with plat stocks going to run out and are essences going to become hard to sell?


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: metsu on July 02, 2012, 09:52:40 pm
If 50 different player are making 100k from selling gems/plat bags everyday,

50*100,000=5,000,000 plats are generate each day.
5M *30days = 150Million every month.

does that answer your question about where plats came from ?


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Fliker on July 02, 2012, 11:31:49 pm
a little off topic but, any chance of making HP, Regen, Mana, Regen augs tradable?
strike augs are already just a something else for "lowbies" to make a little plat.
thoughts?
 


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Natedog on July 02, 2012, 11:39:21 pm
a little off topic but, any chance of making HP, Regen, Mana, Regen augs tradable?
strike augs are already just a something else for "lowbies" to make a little plat.
thoughts?
 


I'd surely pay noobs to farm me HP augs! Actually a pretty good idea.. should post in the suggestion forums =p


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Griz on July 03, 2012, 12:48:34 am
Might as well make PoD stones stack and be tradeable while we're at it.


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Fliker on July 03, 2012, 01:04:50 am
Might as well make PoD stones stack and be tradeable while we're at it.

Ya can trade tokens for airplane so why not


Title: Re: BoT Nerf and server economy
Post by: Tornasu on July 03, 2012, 06:16:44 am
Im going to take Pals advice since this is totally derailed/buried in the thread and refine it and put it into the suggestions. What was meant to be a discussion about server economics reflecting a giant exploit fix turned into a troll session