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title says it all, i really have no clue....but i'm "assuming" Epic 4.5? I have The Aug's on my swords at the moment, but holy cow throwing those Double NS's and an IS in a bow really rackes up some dmg. I dont know how to parse so i cant really tell wich one's faster. but i can say with a 4.5, hight lvl sorc, and some lvl 6 augs, its one sick puppy!

Swords will pretty much always be better if you fully aug them, unless you are a super cheapskate like me and have zero augs in everything, but have the tacvi quiver.

Really? Even tho bow has 2 NS aug slots, hits way harder, and hits faster. And....Trushot! woah!

You could learn how to parse and see for yourself.

Here's where you are missing something...  White damage is a very small percentage of overall damage with augs and all...  The bow does have 2 NS augs and 1 IS aug, while your swords have 2 NS augs and 4 IS augs.

I honestly believe that (unless I find a way to trigger procs), it may be best for the next set of melee weapons have two aug slots. The ranged weapon (read ranger bow) should have at least three, but possibly four.

Until we get a reliable parse(s), then we are still all speculating though.

-Hate

Unless there are new augs this will ... screw players who have spent mega pp auging the weaps out already

let alone a DPS drop unless bows dps = current or better dps

disclaimer--- I'm not trying to stop the brainstorming and what not just 2cents

First I dont know anything about the coding making items and soforth, but why couldn't items have white damage bumped up? Is there a reason that we have to depend on Augmenting items? That way you would end up with more reliable dps and abilities. 

Free DPS? or designing and working, gearing your goons up... if it was just white dps and and all who just acquired the epic will be max DPS.. meh that don't work...

But agree some white dps should be bumped but no where near augged DPS.

If you don't want to grind the augs then you don't get the TOP MAX DPS output.. This is not directed at you just a statement.

Ooooooh no, not making retroactive changes. Just for "in the future". Less aug slots, stronger augs, slightly more expensive though (as each slot needs to be as damaging/expensive as 1.5 augs). This would stop some of the issues with proc limits on paladins and a SKs (to a lesser extent).

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Simply put, no. It can be done, but we're talking HEAVY restructuring and a variety of code adjustments (as many many many days of debugging).

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Don't worry though. Things will not be make stupid easy, nor will anyone really be screwed over it. The cost for the 9th (that would be T7 rank right?) would be the price of one and a half augments instead of simply one. The upside is that less augments at higher end floating around aimlessly, less augs to contend with proc limit, and then those finding themselves with spare 5s, 6s, and/or 7s can simply re-appropriate them.

-Hate

The Bow is now more DPS than 1hs, I have three 6.0 for Ken 2 1hs and my bow, 2 NS8 4 IS8 in the 1hs vs the 2 NS8 and 1 IS8 plus the built in NS 7 with a proc mod of 70, a 320k ae clickable from the bow and 50k hits from arrow, the 6.0 bow is far more damage now, cant say when the bell curve changes, but I can kill trash in t6 solo with pet

Well i'd certainly love to see Ranger DPS...come from his Bow like it should be :) exited....

yep i read that thanks, i meant i was looking forward to more "aug" dps coming from bow, etc. More aug slots...

ahh =D cool  ;D

Thinking 3 NS/2 IS slots for bow to the opposed 2 NS/ 4 IS slots as per swords!

What is the verdict on this? my Rangers has 3 x 3.0  ... 2 in the Bow or 4 in the Swords... if it's 4 in the swords, would it be better to replace the ranger for bard and put 2 in each of 3.0? 

thanks

I think the swords just need to lose some of these augs slots instead of constantly add to bow.

Also, there is a maximum of 4 slots per item allowed.


-Hate

 

so you can only have a max of 4 of the same aug per toon, ...good to know

if so would ranger with 4 NS augs be better than say a bard with 4 NS augs?

thanks Hate

The ranger can make use of a high physical damage on weapon instead of adding more aug slots. We would need some honest parses to start making changes to something like this.

Make it too strong, everyone shifts to one class, it gets normalized, shitstorm.
Make it too weak, no one cares, time wasted.


-Hate

Make the bow and arrow better. Its a ranger, they do ranged dps. Or just delete the class. Wouldnt effect many if ranger didnt exist tomorrow ;p

LoL and the extreme option :-)


-Hate

How did you get 4 of the same aug per toon out of 4 aug slots per item?

You can have as many per toon that you can fit in all of their items, however no single item can have more than 4 slots.

.... Isn't Hunter a <Ranger> .... muhahah

Heh I've never been a fan of the class, going back to when rangers on EZ were *the dps*
Of course I guess they get some pretty decent spells now or something.
How I feel about rangers is how Hate feels about paladins.

I feel about the same way, they are like little clingon toilet paper hanging off your ass hairs that you have to rip off. Incidentally when augs first came out and we got NS augs rangers had 3 slots on the 3.0 that they could put NS into. It proved to be way too much dps and was nerfed very quickly.

Yeah it was OP wasnt it. I was to lame to finish epic and get augs for the rangers so I just kept them retired.
I am wondering if a UW bow might prove to be "zomg dps"

Could very well be. I remember there were some who managed to get 3 NS5 in their bows before the change, lol. Worked out pretty good for them till the new epics came out.

So..... revisiting this. 

Has anyone parsed the new epic 7.0 or higher? 
Or are 2x Swords still the way to go just because of the sheer number of augs? 

One thing I did notice, and not sure if you've been informed of this, H or H....

Epic bows (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9A8LWJEUf9ndlJBRHFSbXN3a2M/edit?usp=sharing)

(sorry, image wouldnt insert)

I know its not huge, since most of the damage from the bow isnt white damage, but thats losing 25% base damage by going to the aug and LP bow.

Just remove the Delay restrictions on the bow ....from pew...pew......pew...to pewpewpepwpepwepwppewepwp....


no need to change slots around...more procs...more fun....

Thought delay was hard coded at a 35 minimum for players.

The one thing I don't understand about rangers is they are already at the top for melee dps, why is everyone so concerned with their range dps?  I mean is there going to be some sort of trade-off or are people expecting rangers to be at the top for both range and melee?

I am getting ready to head into T7/T8, people are talking about the reposte damage being over 1 mil (more in T8)
If he can do the same damage being ranged, I don't have to worry about him being 1 shoted. 

Oh I understand the benefits of doing ranged damage, I just am asking which would rangers rather have, top ranged dps or top melee dps? Because there shouldn't be e a class that has both or it becomes a new god class. Zerks rape for AE dps but their single target is lackluster, wizards rape for ranged dps but have no melee dps...just wondering which rangers would sacrifice between range and melee.

melee dps.

are rangers really top melee dps?


this is news to my monk...

or rogue....


I am ok with being wrong..I run all 3 in my group and do not consider the ranger the stand out dps class...


they are OK...

I dont have parse information to back this feeling up.....

If I had my choice, rangers would be better ranged dps than melee dps, but the only thing I can offer is my opinion.

Shoot, it's their frigg'n name RANGEr.   LOL

With the intentional omission from monks off the 2 slot whip from tserrina, they don't get the bonus NS8 to go with the NS9+ they can aug the whip with.  Couple that with the 3500 white dmg on the whip eclipsing even the 2h weapons dropping in T8, let alone the 1hers and yes, it adds up to more dps than monks.  Rogues have access to the whip as well, so they are on par with rangers as far as strike dmg and possibly ahead a when you factor in backstab damage, though they aren't at cap for double attack/dual wield like monks are so you'd have to parse to see.

archery in eq is stupid and buggy. melee ftw.

Also have to consider too ranger bow click with melee......bow click works at melee range. Will add a bit when the click is fixed. With this I think rangers may end up top of the melee dps food chain.

Suggestions on how to set ranger for bow ranged dmg, versus melee? Excluding a macro set that is not allowed. I would guess people rarely box from their ranger but there seems to be much interest in setting up ranged

/stick behind 100 moveback
/autofire

Did some parses for fun...

No buffs or bard songs, did not cast any spells or click epic, since those can be used in both melee and ranged, UC1.

6.0 Swords with lvl 5 augs (1 NS, 2 IS in each sword): 10,283,406 dmg in 67 seconds - 153,484 DPS

6.0 Bow with lvl 5 augs (3 NS): 10,177,589 dmg in 81 seconds - 125,649 DPS

And to prove how bad bow damage sucks balls for a RANGEr and just because I can;

6.0 Swords with no augs: 395,901 dmg in 110 seconds - 3599 DPS

6.0 Bow with no augs: 43,296 dmg in 150 seconds - 289 DPS.  Furthermore, 55 shots fired, 20 of them hit for 44 dmg, 4 hit for 88 (Crit)

Melee wins hands down with or without augs.  Now, 28k DPS doesn't seem like a huge difference to some, but at those numbers, 28k DPS is a 16% loss in DPS.  That gap will only widen with higher augs, melee will pull further and further ahead of ranged.

Also add in either a Shaman or a Bard with their damage procs, and you get an extra proc every round with swords that you do not get with the bow since you swing 2 swords and only shoot 1 bow.

If you mob is a belly caster you can forget about the bow, by the time you are in range for spells to land, you are too close for bow shots. Rare, but still a fact.

^ yep. And that is not including the pain in the ass los can be in certain zones, hills = bad, walls = bad, etc.  archery is crap, and nothing can fix the bad code in the game.