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Title: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: hateborne on June 10, 2013, 02:53:16 pm
Just out of curiosity, who is using the greatstaff? What class? Did you get it for the rune or other reasons?



I'm considering repurposing click effect, but I don't want to if there a few out there actively using it.


-Hate


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: Rageful on June 10, 2013, 07:32:44 pm
Used it once in anguish. Did decent dps with it, but not enough to make up for loss of aoe from the sword. Plus it can only be used solo (for a warrior at least) because there is no way for us to keep decent aoe threat. The click would probably be a tad bit more appealing if it didn't have a cast time.

I'm not sure I used it enough really to put in the input you want. I have UW rank 8; I am a warrior.


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: hateborne on June 11, 2013, 12:46:43 am
Ok, no other responses. Going to repurpose it as "the caster UW" (since melee get the sword).


Thanks!


-Hate


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: Rageful on June 11, 2013, 02:59:39 am
We use the Sword as it provides the best benefit, make the staff more appealing...


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: Hunter on June 11, 2013, 03:24:43 am
I'd probably suggest spell damage and/or healing bonus and without any proc affect to make it affect only casters, and not melee people trying to proc their dmg/heal effects. This way classes like Wizards and Clerics would benefit the most, possibly more than UCv2 at some point.


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: Felony on June 11, 2013, 08:14:05 am
One downside to the 2h is the stats are the same as the 1h weapons so you give up the ability to use a shield for the extra HP/Mana/AC/Block


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: Chunka on June 11, 2013, 09:47:30 am
Or....maybe make the staff caster/priest/bst only, and give it a really monstrous pet.


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: Digz on June 11, 2013, 01:34:55 pm
what about adding a moderate Twin cast proc chance to the staff which increases as the rank gets higher?


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: Felony on June 11, 2013, 01:37:49 pm
what about adding a moderate Twin cast proc chance to the staff which increases as the rank gets higher?
if it was a 1h caster/priest weapon with a twincast chance I would consider making a squishy cloth class.


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: hateborne on June 11, 2013, 01:55:44 pm
what about adding a moderate Twin cast proc chance to the staff which increases as the rank gets higher?

Hehe you're on the same track as I was.



The changes have been written up and submitted to the bossman. He said he will review and test when he has time. I won't say what all was done until he OK's the changes and pushes them through (in case something changes).

I will say that as a caster, you should be considered deranged for not choosing this UW over others when the changes are pushed through.


-Hate


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: Xiggie | Stone on June 11, 2013, 05:07:59 pm
Might be too late to throw an idea out there for the 2hb caster only weapon but maybe a pet that casts a self rune every 18 seconds. Insta cast so there is no interrupting it. The damage of the pet scales up as you upgrade the UW in 3 stages, (3 different pets). Twin, triple and quadruple cast as the UW scales up also.


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: hateborne on June 11, 2013, 05:14:17 pm
Not entirely too late, but I'm not keen on giving everyone pets. If so, it goes back to either pets are ungodly OP afk damage or resummoned numerous times per fight.

Hopefully the changes will make it appealing enough to be worth the effort. :-D


-Hate


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: Zartaxis on June 11, 2013, 05:24:04 pm
It might not be a bad idea to make it a shield (no back slot) for casters.  That way they don't give up an epic click which other classes don't have to do with the 1h UWs.  No melee class would give up a secondary slot for a shield instead of a weapon so that wouldnt be an issue and you could make the click effects whatever you want.


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: Xiggie | Stone on June 11, 2013, 05:25:21 pm
I agree, ideally it would be handled the way you are doing it. If it doesn't work though I hope a pet would be on the table. It doesn't have to be for everyone, only casters of course. As for them being OP, have you seen the ultimate weapon on a warrior? It is crazy dps. I would even venture to see about having multiple weapon types on the pet as the UW increases. Hail the pet for a selection of a couple different weapons that he could have. One being aoe damage proc, another being an aoe root and another being some sort of group heal. The idea of the rune is to keep the pet alive. The scaling of damage and adding of different weapon choices is where you could add power as it scales up.


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: Xiggie | Stone on June 11, 2013, 05:28:32 pm
It might not be a bad idea to make it a shield (no back slot) for casters.  That way they don't give up an epic click which other classes don't have to do with the 1h UWs.  No melee class would give up a secondary slot for a shield instead of a weapon so that wouldnt be an issue and you could make the click effects whatever you want.

This!


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: hateborne on June 11, 2013, 05:30:13 pm
I agree, ideally it would be handled the way you are doing it. If it doesn't work though I hope a pet would be on the table. It doesn't have to be for everyone, only casters of course. As for them being OP, have you seen the ultimate weapon on a warrior? It is crazy dps. I would even venture to see about having multiple weapon types on the pet as the UW increases. Hail the pet for a selection of a couple different weapons that he could have. One being aoe damage proc, another being an aoe root and another being some sort of group heal. The idea of the rune is to keep the pet alive. The scaling of damage and adding of different weapon choices is where you could add power as it scales up.

I like this a lot. Making note for future reference >_>


It might not be a bad idea to make it a shield (no back slot) for casters.  That way they don't give up an epic click which other classes don't have to do with the 1h UWs.  No melee class would give up a secondary slot for a shield instead of a weapon so that wouldnt be an issue and you could make the click effects whatever you want.

Hmm noted. Maybe not so much a shield as everything has shields. Possibly some badass looking offhand? (any ideas?)


-Hate


EDIT: Why not just leave a staff graphic actually? Gogo dual wielding like ye ole' Gandalf?


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: spuddson on June 11, 2013, 05:48:14 pm
In VT my cleric got an offhand item that had flowing thought and looked like she was carrying a music stand. cant remember what it was called but on later raids she got a shield.

Music stand would be a cool look for others to poke fun at ;)


Title: Re: UW Greatstaff Click?
Post by: Felony on June 11, 2013, 06:31:16 pm
Who cares what the graphic is, shield or weapon or dildo, doesnt matter.
It should be one handed and usable in secondary slot.