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Ok i am at sss in potime and sitting at the temple awaiting a spawn. A dude runs in killing a train he had started and was killing in and around the area where sss spawns it pops so i send my pet in he agros the mob and it goes to him since i was camping it i let my pet kill it while nuking. As i was there camping it. i get my kill and my page but also a "nice kill stealing asshat comment for my trouble.

I get to the knight and there was a group there they said they needed 2 pages. I say ok then leave to kill gemcutter as well as warlord to get those pages while awaiting my turn. i come back as the other group is killing their second spawn. Who is there? The same person. So they tell me i now have to wait for them to kill their mob before i can kill my spawn? So i did. But i would like to know who was at fault here in these situations?

So now here is my side of the story:  I am coming from another camp, all of the mobs around this pyramid are up, i stop to kill the mobs and rez my toon that i was dothing, while i am at the corner SSS spawns and agros on me, I did not move in closer, he agroed me while i was AE jolting to get mobs off the rezzed low health toon.  While this happens i see a mage pet in the distance killing other mobs, and then starts in on SSS while i am killing the adds.  So I say thanks for ksing since he didnt even have the decency to say anything just killed it.   Then to the Djinn he is there, waiting, so I wait my turn, as is customary.   Come up to The Silver knight, a group is there and was waiting on a total of 3 pages.  I ask how many more do they need and they reply 1 page.  I say ok and wait, while I am waiting same mage/sk comes in from statue area and says that they were there first and should be next because they left to go kill another mob instead of waiting.  If you move from a camp you do not have the rights to claim the next kill if you leave.  I kill the Silver knight on next spawn and move on.  I did not try to steal his camp on SSS I didnt even see him until he had come up and took the kill from me and looted.  I waited my turn at Djinn, and waited again with the same group at statue.   Who is in the right/wrong here?

A huge hole in your story as you said you saw my pet killing mobs? That is untrue the mobs near me were dead and only mobs left were the ones you trained and the respawn of sss i was waiting on. And whether you admit it or not you ran into the agro area but hunter can check for that if need be. There is 1 mob at the pyramid where i was a griffen that was already dead.

Not going to touch the first part of the dispute.

But as for the Knight, if you leave your place in the queue to go kill a couple of other bosses, you have forfeited your place in the other queue.

You leave the queue, then you lose your spot (in my opinion).   

The other group needed 2 pages from the mob and now i know they needed 3 from the next (gem cutter) then 3 from warlord. I went and got the 1 page from each i needed. What the guy did not say was that when i got there his main was not there he was at gem cutter as i was returning from warlord. So he runs back after i showed up there pulling gem cutter to the tunnel entrance and killing it so his alt could loot it.

And i thought that this Applied:

NO KILL STEALING
Place nice here, and don't kill steal. You can hold a camp if you are not afk. When a mob spawns, you need to engage it, or else you will be considered afk and forfeit the camp. You can not have 1 toon hold the camp while waiting for your group to arrive. If your not ready to engage when the mob spawns, then your not camping it, and forfeit the rights to the camp if another party wants it.

And this:

You can't hold 2 or more camps at the same time, so if a group/guild is fighting a boss, then another group/guild is welcome to 'leap frog' and claim the next boss.

He had his alt there when i got there but he was at gemcutter but since his toon was waiting there he thought he had the next rights as i had left. a link to the rules http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=8.0 (http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=8.0)

In your initial post, you never mentioned that he was a part of the group that was already there.

In fact, from his post, he was not part of the group that was there when you were.

You left the queue for that boss (you again mention this in the last sentence of your previous post), therefore you loose your spot in the queue, the other person in this dispute moves up into your spot.

Yes, you cannot hold 2 camps at the same time, but surely that should also apply to having a place in two seperate queues (without the agreement of others in the said queues).

You chose to leave the queue for the Knight.  You therefore would need to rejoin at the back of the queue when you return.

Lesson to be learned:  If you are in a queue for a boss, don't leave said queue else you lose your spot.

he was not in that group and i never said he was. the full story is i show up there and there are 3 people there. (these 3 had no connection to this guy) i asked how many more pages they needed they said 2 (i had no idea at the time that they needed 3 but knew it be at least a 30 minute wait 20 for their spawns to be done plus 10 untill my turn) So i knew it be a long wait for my turns as well as a longer wait at the next 2 spawns. so i told them i'd be back and kill gemcutter while i waited for them to finish.

So i killed gemcutter and decided to kill warlord real fast. So i killed them and while on my way back i saw that dude killing mobs moving towards gemcutter. So i hurried back to the knight. I asked the group still there if they were almost done. They said yes thats when he used his alt to tell me i'll have to wait untill he was done. i look behind  me and notice him killing gemcutter at tunnel entrance. He kills it moves up to his alt then took his alt to loot the page from gemcutter.

so he had his alt there holding his spot afk while he was camping another boss.When i first posted i was in a hurry and did not have all the details in the original post as i was posting this and was responding to his tells in game. This same player tried to cause drama by /oocing the drama. I chose not to take part and kept it to tells and posted here for clarification. I thought you could not hold 2 camps at once? Him killing gemcutter while i was at the knight means he was doing 2.

Just wanna say the rules are always clearly posted, except they change when people bitch about crap that is not as important as other camp sites, but hey I am just stating my two cents in a rant over nothing really.  I bet all of you got the pages you needed too.

Need a hug?

I don't hug morons
 :'(

Wow aren't you nice? You do realise this post has nothing to do with your tikis right?

You snooze you lose...Same thing as you leave you lose.

You want a camp? Dont leave it. Even if a group is already there... stay in line. if you leave you lose your place. It always worked like that and will always work like that.

For SSS.. if you were there then the kill was yours to have! even if someone just got there and got aggroe by mistake.  In this case its not who aggroed first but who was there first.

So if you want to kill something. STAY THERE dont leave killing shit or at least leave some toon behind if you go out killing stuff.  Double camp is different.

1. If you were waiting at the camp and he shows up with a train SSS is yours.

2. If you went to Silver Knight camp and left and came back and he was there when you came back he has priority. Unless he didn't have all the toons he needed to kill it there when you had all your toons necessary.

For the most part this thread seems unncessary for the reason Scootz mentioned.

if you read what i wrote you would see he did not when i first arrived as his main was at gemcutter.

SSS was your's so you didn't KS anything

Your line for Silver Knight was lost because you left

IDK if it was already said, sorry, didn't really read thread, just answered your question.

i mainly posted this because of the knight spawn as i was not sure about camps when it comes to waiting for respawns. i know that if the mob is up and the other team is not ready then its an open camp. But what if they are boxing 2 toons and the spawn is not up yet and they have their main away killing another boss? the boss is not spawned yet they do not have their main dps there to kill it. but then they get their main dps there before the spawn? Does the camp go to the one waiting? or does it go to the one who left their alt there to hold their spot?

And here is another question for the rules i find unclear. The 5 minute wait for attacking the mob to allow some one to buff their group before engaging does this apply for regular mobs such as fg or cg mobs? I get to where the knuckle dusters drop as an exampile and the person there does not respond right away so i know he is going afk alot but talk to him. I sit my toon down to wait untill he is done farming and go afk to check the forums. The mob pops agros on me and my pet kills it. 3-4 minutes later the guy sees my "i'm sorry it spawned attacked me and my pet agroed and killed it" (it was a ph) and then responds. When i noticed it attacking me i was spamming back with my pet but it still killed it.

How long are you to wait untill attacking a mob for clarification when you know the person is afk farming? I understand for bosses and the 5 minute rule but it mainly mentions encounters that require a group and allowing them time to buff before killing it.

If I arrive at a camp, and the mob is up, I sent a tell to the person camping the spawn saying that the mob is up.
5 minutes after that, if the mob is still alive, then the person (in my mind) has forfeited the camp.

But I would not stay within aggro range of the mob and go afk for any reason so that I get attacked and pet kills the mob.  That's killstealing.  The camper may have had to go afk for emergency bio break or something.

Stay well back so you don't get aggro, send a tell, wait 5 mins.  If the mob is still up, the camp is yours.


Disclaimer: That is my interpretation of the rules.  if I am wrong, please correct me

i have a good question where could you not be withing agro range at  Herbinger Freglor? That is a very small room lol

In the corners of the room that face him.   

Ok if they no longer have rights to the camp then what happens if it was a ph and then they come back before the respawn from the ph you killed? Do they still have their camp? or must they then leave the camp? i see how this could cause some drama which is why i ask lol

If they were afk for 5 mins, then they were afk for 5 mins and lost the camp, regardless of whether it was a PH or the mob itself.

So if the mob pops at the next turn you can fraps them as ksing if they attack the mob? I could see several people getting upset about this. What if you get there and you talk/send a tell and get no response for 5 minutes and the mob has not popped? What then? They were cleearly afk for 5 minutes of the camp were they not? These things are making my head hurt to figure out lol

If the mob is up when you get there, or while you are there and the mob spawns, send a tell if you see no movement.
Then wait 5 minutes.  The 5 minutes I believe do not count if there is no mob there.

If the mob is still alive after 5 minutes, the camp is yours.

You have to wait for the mob to spawn.  That's when (in my mind) the 5 mins starts.

As some mobs (or their placeholders) are on a 15 / 30 min timer, some people may be afk for that period inbetween spawns. (which is fine - time to get a drink / bio / drink etc)

Also what do you do when a person is afk farming the knuckle dusters gets the drop and continues to farm it so no one else can get them?

They can't afk camp, as they'd need to loot the boss to check for the item.

If, however, they are farming a CG / FG boss and not letting you have an item, and you can prove that they are doing this, then be the bigger person.  Move on and do something else until that person has left the camp.

There are other things you can do while waiting for camps to open up.

I did read what you wrote, thats why I included it in my post.

1. Who said you need your main there to keep a camp? If one of my toon is there i keep my spot.. if mob spawn.. i stil have my 5 min to get back and attack.  And also... what tells you its not my main waiting and im just killing junk with my alt?

2. Afk farming is illegal

Thanks la~

So i could have 5 toons 1 at each of the bosses in time to hold my place then use my main running to each killing them when they spawn as i get my main there a minute or so before they respawn? Thats how it sounds to me.

I said in an earlier post... double or triple camping boss is not legal either.  I'm talking parking my uber gimp paladin at a boss and while I wait for it to pop I kill trash mob somewhere else (same zone of course) with my other toon... i dont see a problem with that done by me or someone else...

This is why i was asking as in the rules it does not specify what the rules are on camps between respawns or waiting on respawns and thought it best to ask. i let them go ahead of me and kill the mob any way but wanted to know the rules on it in case it happened again.

Zolton, you have done nothing but complain since you got to these boards. I dare you to come up with a post that isn't some how part of a complaint so I can counter dozens of other complaints. I have seen people banned for being a complaining ass. Hunter has said in the past he does not like drama, and Z, drama is not following, you are starting drama. At this point, anyone who reads the message boards is not going to want anything to do with you.

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So asking for clarification of the rules in this topic is starting drama? 0_o If you are unsure about a rule are you not suposed to ask questions to get clarification of a rule especially in a grey area such as respawn waiting which is not really covered in the rules?

You can try to explain away each little detail if you want to. But if I were you, I would stop posting and hope these posts die down so people will forget about how much your posts are about you whining and complaining.

WTF is up with all these posts lately, between not griefing people and the 5 minute rule etc... I thought it was common sense on it all, even a cave man could understand. :P Their are many reasons why someone doesn't have to respond to you while waiting for a spawn. Most the time I get tells in EQ I ignore them but am not AFK. If they are AFK anyways, then just wait and see if they engage the mob/boss after min mins of it spawning because honestly their is no way you can prove someone is AFK without using the 5min rule after the ph/boss spawns.