EZ Server

Trolling, Baiting, and Spamming in OOC with extreme statements needs to stop. I can hardly keep up you the few loud people flare up on there.

Any complaining about Warrior's Way from T7 BP or similar issues will just get their ooc privileges revoked.

I also can't keep up with everyone sending me direct tells. If you have an issue, then email me.

Any constructive feedback on the UW topic can be left on forums. It might take 1-2 months before I update them again due to my available time IRL this month.

After last months flare up over UW, players aren't going to get far anymore without getting revoked, suspended, or banned. So chill out.

Good idea hunter, if all people are going to do is whine, ignore those people somehow, it makes it really hard to get your legit question answered through all the bs ones being answered then just silence after that.

You really need to get a guide or 2. Your population has been high enough for it for a long time. You need it to be a veteran, preferably someone who does not play anymore who is very limited in what they can do. Mostly observe and report. Maybe the ability to much and definitely the ability to stealth. If you limit your guides abilities they can be a help not a liability.

I think thats a good idea xiggie, but i dont think it will help with whining/trolling on important issues, i think ignorning whiners/trolls and listening to the people saying constructive things would fix that.

Greta idea Xiggie, might help.  And Krinkle the idea of what is constructive is still subjective to whoever reads it and with the QQ'ing these days, it would be hard for anyone in Hunter's position to determine what is or is not constructive.  Lately, all I have seen are peeps complaining about everything from SLS's to UW to mana drain, personally get over it and grow up or just quit EZ.  (not pointed at you Krinkle, just to the QQ's)

Anyways,  Thanks Hunter and Hate for everything you guys are doing.  Back to the grind...

i have a hard time seeing who it should be. most of the old players are trolls and have the most hate for new people on the server. the onley one i can think of would be Hate.

And there is a HUGE difference in crying about something and expressing you opinion about a thing. The problem is that you cant say one thing on the server without somone pointing at you saying "QQ MORE" "L2Play" etc etc etc.

Honestly as much as I like Hate I think he is too involved. To be effective it can't be someone who would have to defend their own content. Someone who doesn't have an axe to grind and quite honestly someone who will not take sides. I don't think Hunter needs someone to help him settle arguments, that is for him to do. He needs someone to silence arguments. Jail people who are jerking up in public zones maybe and generally a peace keeper. Not a resolution person. Again, not someone who take sides but someone who could deflate conflict instead of trying to resolve conflict.

Pointed at me no doubt since I created two of those three threads you reference. Those are suggestions that, with the other 10000 things they are doing, are just brought up to the forefront. One of which was addressed, the other not so much. If you have any issue with it, please feel free to hit me up in game so I can explain my point. If not, piss up a tree. Either way, have a good one.

still the better man for the job. i have seen him help people on the server, not just point them to the forum with a dumbass remark.

but in the end its hunters rules and whatnot.

Could always create that /say vote <player> command.

Instead of ban, it could be a 1 hour revoke chat privileges.

Giving some random people power is creating a new problem on top of something that isn't even really a problem.  Xiggie claims that a guide should be someone who doesn't play?  Why?  So they are not biased?  If someone has played here for years, tell me they wouldn't already know the majority of the server and wouldn't be biased.  What are they going to do?  Send people to jail?  Tell them to shutup?  If you don't like what someone says, screenshot it, send it to Hunter.

Making guides doesn't do much for what the masses want (content, patches, fixes).  Hunter has a life outside this server.  He gets to stuff when he can and there are already several people (including Hate) who have demonstrated on the forums that they know a good bit about about how to code server changes.  ToV ramps, etc. etc.  If Hunter wants to allow some sort of more streamlined way for people to *suggest changes* to HIM and then hes got these people in his back pocket to help code in the changes if he wants to approve the change.   This sort of thing has already been going on for years.

On a side note.  "In my opinion"  A really Easy way to eliminate some of the bashing is for Hunter to post all changelogs (especially nerfs/fixes) even if they are not changes he is responsible for.  If he wants to include a name and a thanks note in there for someone, cool beans.  It's a lot easier to yell at your supervisor than it is your CEO.

Hunter was doing updates for a while before I came along with my Blizzard-styled patch notes. I like being transparent (not saying Hunter doesn't) and I like having a log of changes. The problem that comes out of constantly providing patch notes is people that were unaware of things before suddenly DEMAND things being undone.

Case in point: Bot detection was live for ~2 weeks before Hunter announced it. How many people have QQ'ed about the bot code causing lag or it being responsible for their disconnects AFTER the announcement? ;-)


-Hate

Hate I think would be a good choice as he is always in control of his reactions and seems to know his shit. Pissing and moaning is going to happen no matter what but do agree on both forum and /ooc some people take it way to far. Just please allow us to disagree here and there to a point as I think venting somewhat allows most of this community to tire themself out and go back to grinding.

Exactly.

+1

Giving people the right to vote silence people I can see being a good idea on paper but in practice it would lead to people exploiting it. X guild leader gets in a pissing match with y person and does a /vote stfu. He then asks everyone else in his guild to do the same thing. Then he sends a message to his buddy who leads another guild to do the same thing. It would be especially hard on new people an would give another way for end game people or long term people to troll newbs. Those who are established, whether they be right or wrong would have rights over those who are not established.

I am not going to be coy, I think I would be a good candidate for a guide. I know I have been pretty sharp on the forums in the past but I think I am far removed enough from the drama to not be drawn into it to take sides. Dispelling a dramatic situation does not involve resolving drama. It just means taking the fire out of it. Banning or even suspending would not even be needed. Equip with the power to silence if needed would be the most I think a guide would need. I'd like to reiterate I am not asking to be able to resolve peoples drama or to take anyone's side. Just to help out with dispelling that drama and using silence if needed. I would keep a log of everything to show what happened and why silenced was used or even any interaction I would have with anyone in tells or ooc. There would be no banter from me or even opinions thrown out for that matter. As a guide it wouldn't be my job to have an opinion, it would be my job to dispel loud opinions. And if I abuse it, fire me. Simple as that.

As for being able to stealth, fraps what I might see, report it to Hunter and he takes the action. I don't need to.

No offense if you don't take my offer up, I know this is something you have always resisted but Hunter, the offer is there and I extend it with as much dignity and honor as I can possibly give. I am not looking to impose my will, I am looking to help. This is something I can give back to a server that has given so much to me since 07 or 08.

I think most of the QQ'ng comes from major changes coming out of left field(from the player's perspective)

I think a post on the forum before major changes nerfs or boosts would quell a lot of the QQ

Not all the little tweaks but major changes should be posted first, would create a ton less drama IMO especially in OOC.

OOC has been pretty dead lately when I have been on.

Dinadas

Veto. I cannot veto harder than I am vetoing right now.

Maybe I wasn't online, but I haven't heard any Warriors Way tirades since the week of the change and that was like a month or two ago..  And most people were just complaining, it was 1 or 2 people actually taking it too far.  And it was kind of a big change just thrown at us all at once.  I've seen discussions on it since then, but no outright flaming.


I do not want a Guide, ESPECIALLY some of the ones volunteering themselves ITT who have their own niche of friends who spent YEARS tagteaming people in OOC debates with their guildmates. Are you kidding me?     But anyways, give a person power and it will be abused, always happens.  I don't want some guy getting muted because he said a bad word in an innocent conversation.  I know I've cussed before, and just about everybody else.  Doesn't mean they should be muted.  Context is everything.

If someone is being bad in OOC, screenshot it and let Hunter take care of it.

I actually think Xiggie would do well, but he doesnt play enough (unless that changed lately)

I have history on this server. I fully understand that there would be those who would not want me as a guide. I still think I would be a good one. I am removed enough by not playing long enough that I am not in anyone's niche. I am quite confident that if I was chosen Hunter would scour my logs looking for any kind of impropriety. I in no way shape or form would try to be overbearing in looking for every time someone said a bad word in ooc or cussed. Quite frankly I think that would be a guide looking for trouble and creating more drama than what it is worth. I too have cussed in ooc and have seen Hunter do it. Where I think I guide should step in is where someone gets out of hand and starts disgustingly talking about how they want to impregnate your 14 year old sister while your grandma watches, (sorry for the example but I wanted a for instance).

I have had my opinion of things in the past and have spoken about the quite loudly. But as a guide, my opinion would not matter. It would not matter what I think is right or wrong or what I want or want not to do or see. As I guide it would be my job to look after what Hunter wants and does not want in the capacity that he allows me too. As for my coming back as a guide and therefore getting back into playing, make my characters unplayable. I guarantee you this... within a month the majority of people will either thank Hunter for making me a guide or thank Hunter for firing me. I think majority of people would like me as a guide eventually, yes even those who speak out against me. I think it so much and so confidently that I would even put my own toons on the line. Hunter knows my accounts. If I get fired, ban me all around.

I doubt I will be taken up on this at all but I want to make my one plea. I want to help, not control. I humbly as all of you, give me a chance. I won't disappoint.

we could all share the power to silence somehow. like a /ignore feature or something we can each use ourselves to ignore specific people we dont want to hear.

Thats a laugh.
None of the players here should be guides. We all have others we hate.
What people should do is learn to use /ignore and /fraps.
Not faps but fraps ok.
Shits not hard people.

Do Not Want.

  I've been here almost 4 years now and have seen a lot of changes. I do not always agree with them. But I change my play-style to work within the confines of such changes. I personally do not see where a guide is going to be of any benefit. Like Krinkle said /ignore works well. Also you can just turn ooc off if you want. Its a game. It IS going to change, some good, some bad.  Adapt or quit.

If I had a vote it would be a no...

Ignore function works 1/10th the time due to the universal whatever it is going down; outside that if it's possible I think you should revoke OOC via IP that way they can't use any of their characters to cause chaos in OOC. It usually seems to be the same few people anyway that cause the OOC drama. Would be beneficial to just IP revoke them from OOC to reduce the problem.

Got names? Hunter has the power.  ;-)


-Hate

Guess this ain't'merica no mor.

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I just dont see the problem, and when i say i dont see, i mean i havent witnessed them except the most recent one. the two big times that i know of when hunter had to drop the mute on people and when the trolling/baiting was the worst over changes made to game mechanics, both times HUNTER was on and aware of what was going on and dealing with it...

Becides those times in two years of playing here i have seen i think twice when ooc was disrupted by some kid being vulgar and it doesnt last long and both times hunter banned them to never be seen again by the next if not same day.

With rewind/character mover and other helpfull players, 99% of anything game glitching can/is handled without a guide. and as far as players greifing each other or what not, fraps and screenshots seemed to have worked fine. hell if the person has been a habitual ass just a note to Hunter is usually enough for hunter to just keep a eye out and see the crap and BanHammer away...

Nothing against anyone who has offered or players who think a guide would be helpfull, I just dont see the need is all.

Most of the recent problems have been dealt with and things have for the most part calmed down already.

Yes many features like char mover and rewind resolves 99% of any issues players have.

Anyone can still email me or post on forums about disruptive players and they will be dealt with pretty quickly. Screenshots and video will help a lot too.

I still might (or perhaps already did without any of you knowing about it) give limited powers to unnamed persons to invisibly monitor players, both in ooc chat and instances, as well as running my anti bot script which would can confirm a what a guide reports back to me. May give out other types of powers or commands as well, but only I will ever have the power to reimburse/summon items, suspend, or ban. I won't confirm or deny if we have any moderators, or who they are, or what powers they would have. Just follow the rules and you'll be fine.

Yes once in a great long while we'll have a few trolls create a huge stir in forums/ooc but it gets dealt with quickly and they rarely come back after banning all accounts linked by IP, and banning the IP itself, all the above to make it difficult and time consuming for them to even bother continuing.

Mq2 type this .....

/filter name add Xiggie says out of character


Just an example no hate intended

Now that person is filtered for ALL of your accounts

Enjoy

Good example.

At least it wouldn't block any direct tells, just their ooc spam nonsense.

Should probably add to the EZ Guide if not already there :)

Well the offer is there and will stay as an offer. No hard feelings if it is not taken and honestly no hard feelings taken from those who would not want me as a guide.

Do NOT want.

I can see why you wouldn't. You and I have disagreed several times. That still wouldn't stop me from being impartial and fair to you or anyone else.

i really hope i can sound like i dont mean, or take this personal. i do not want you because i have seen you yell, troll and whatnot at new players, who onley asked new and "dumb" questions because they wer new. and im not just pointing fingers at you, i see the same thing with alot of the old players. and sometime i feel it my self. (yes this account is from 12 but my chars is from 08, played on and alot off). But most of the little older players hate to help with stuff. unless its for hunter it self. i have seen few who dont say "go piss off newb, you need to earn our respect" "Go read the millions of post on the forum before speaking to us" and yes i overreact, but the server can be BRUTAL!