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Title: Sword n' Board! Post by: Ponzi on May 12, 2014, 12:37:02 pm Any chance we can reduce (or eliminate entirely) the 1h weapon skin drop rate for SK/PAL in t6+?
Title: Re: Sword n' Board! Post by: hateborne on May 12, 2014, 09:45:01 pm Any chance we can reduce (or eliminate entirely) the 1h weapon skin drop rate for SK/PAL in t6+? No, I'm not removing the knight skins. They are equally random. If you are getting more knight weapons, bring a knight along. You won't find a damn one once you do. :-) -Hate Title: Re: Sword n' Board! Post by: Ponzi on May 13, 2014, 04:44:28 am I just meant the 1h only skins. I roll w/ 2 paladins in main group, neither is ever going to give up proc rate to equip a shield... The question i'm posing is : whats the point of an item no one is ever going to use, even the classes they are designed for. I wouldn't suggest removing them from DB if they weren't complete wastes of space. :)
i.e. knights use the 2 hander skins shared w/ zerkers (there are multiple forms of tank/dps 2handers, all viable).. Title: Re: Sword n' Board! Post by: Adidis on May 13, 2014, 05:03:20 am They probably exist for the fact there are SK tanks on the server. You may not run one, but some people do. I'd assume if Pally mitigation was a bit better people might even run Pally tanks. Hell I'm even considering picking up an SK as an off-tank for my raid if at some point I add more guys to my crew.
Title: Re: Sword n' Board! Post by: Ponzi on May 13, 2014, 06:16:43 am They probably exist for the fact there are SK tanks on the server. You may not run one, but some people do. I'd assume if Pally mitigation was a bit better people might even run Pally tanks. Hell I'm even considering picking up an SK as an off-tank for my raid if at some point I add more guys to my crew. Who would be viable based on healing procs (self SK, group PAL) to tank, and the minimal AC a vallon zek style shield provides would be meaningless compared to the loss in proc % going to 1-hand, no? I'm sure there's someone out there in pod/hoh who considers the extra white damage from a 2h caster-only weapon useful, but their delusion doesnt mean caster-only 2hbs are essentially pointless.. Unless i'm missing something.. Title: Re: Sword n' Board! Post by: hateborne on May 13, 2014, 09:30:35 am I just meant the 1h only skins. I roll w/ 2 paladins in main group, neither is ever going to give up proc rate to equip a shield... The question i'm posing is : whats the point of an item no one is ever going to use, even the classes they are designed for. I wouldn't suggest removing them from DB if they weren't complete wastes of space. :) i.e. knights use the 2 hander skins shared w/ zerkers (there are multiple forms of tank/dps 2handers, all viable).. You have never tried tanking with a paladin or shadowknight then. The 1h aug gives them their stonewall procs/click. The click gives 15-20% Stonewall (class/rank dependent). Max rank is 7.0 which brings both knights to 40% Stonewall from class buffs/augs. Warriors get 50% from class buffs/augs. They probably exist for the fact there are SK tanks on the server. You may not run one, but some people do. I'd assume if Pally mitigation was a bit better people might even run Pally tanks. Hell I'm even considering picking up an SK as an off-tank for my raid if at some point I add more guys to my crew. See above. They probably exist for the fact there are SK tanks on the server. You may not run one, but some people do. I'd assume if Pally mitigation was a bit better people might even run Pally tanks. Hell I'm even considering picking up an SK as an off-tank for my raid if at some point I add more guys to my crew. Who would be viable based on healing procs (self SK, group PAL) to tank, and the minimal AC a vallon zek style shield provides would be meaningless compared to the loss in proc % going to 1-hand, no? I'm sure there's someone out there in pod/hoh who considers the extra white damage from a 2h caster-only weapon useful, but their delusion doesnt mean caster-only 2hbs are essentially pointless.. Unless i'm missing something.. The procs are COMPLETELY different on 1h and 2h. :-) -Hate Title: Re: Sword n' Board! Post by: Chunka on May 13, 2014, 10:20:33 am Quote You have never tried tanking with a paladin or shadowknight then. The 1h aug gives them their stonewall procs/click. The click gives 15-20% Stonewall (class/rank dependent). Max rank is 7.0 which brings both knights to 40% Stonewall from class buffs/augs. Warriors get 50% from class buffs/augs. Without doubt knight tanking has improved (A TON!!), but they still dont seem to be a pimple on a warrior's ass in terms of tankability (nor should they be....knights get other abilities that set them apart from pure tanks). Mostly this is due to a decreased return from AC compared to warriors, and not as good avoidance (unless these hard numbers were changed by Hunter or hate, but they definitely dont seem to be). You also will see a diff from the unique defensive AA warriors get. Honestly....if my warrior bites it Brick cant do a much more than my monk or zerker in terms of finishing the fight. Even with sword n board he just cannot take the same level of beating the warrior can (again, nor do I want him to be able to do so). Even with sword n board I have an easier time tanking on the monk. I recently advanced another pally in case its needed in T8/9. I sincerely doubt he'll bother with 1h epic. But I dont see the need to remove em. Some might prefer the extra challenge of trying to tank with a knight. |