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Title: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Peign on February 17, 2015, 08:58:33 am
Are fine.


My play times and grind time are abnormal.


Carry on with the plan of the day!


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Darpey on February 17, 2015, 09:41:54 am
There are 3 core keys to avoiding nerfs on this server.     

First, never tell Chunka anything.   Once Chunka learns of a strategy he will inform the whole server.   As we all know, once the server knows then a nerf will soon follow.   This rule cannot be stressed enough, it is like not feeding gremlins after midnight.   It is paramount that Chunka always be kept in the dark.

Second, if OH8 is ever in your instance, play like a nublet.   Make the game seem really hard.  Intentionally mess up, wipe if you have to.   This rule is tough as some of us have an epeen so big you can see the bulge through our plate mail.

Third, and unfortunately this is a bit out of our control, keep Fugi from maxing out.   Fugi is a good player and has a knack for finding the easy path to end game.    The thing is,  his ego is the size of his epeen and he wants to be the man.   That being said, he will use the tools he has identified to get him to end game.    Once done, he will inform OH8 that said tools need a nerf.    In this respect he is like Wormtongue sitting at the side of the King of Rohan feeding him verbal spew that will make the server suffer.


There you have it, 3 keys to avoiding nerfs on EZ.



#4 Keep Peign from posting in Forums about OP plat drops

... err...

Sorry just couldn't not post that

/dickmode off

But yeah, I agree with you, plat in T9 is really high - Hill Giant drops lots of plat and he's easy to spawn in significantly under an hour... kinda makes those in T9 make a disproportional amount of plat compared to all others


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Phah on February 17, 2015, 10:29:00 am
I don't understand the problem.

You can make 20mil a day? so can everyone else farming T9, which is apparently a significant portion of the server. Everyone who wants to buy the best stuff has the same amount of plat, sounds balanced.

I'm derping around in TOFS2-3 and HoH. I'm lucky to make 200k per day in normal plat / item drops; selling the occasional rainbows and ungodly-rare gemstones make a really nice extra income for those of us who can't farm T9.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Peign on February 17, 2015, 10:34:40 am
I don't understand the problem.

You can make 20mil a day? so can everyone else farming T9, which is apparently a significant portion of the server. Everyone who wants to buy the best stuff has the same amount of plat, sounds balanced.

I'm derping around in TOFS2-3 and HoH. I'm lucky to make 200k per day in normal plat / item drops; selling the occasional rainbows and ungodly-rare gemstones make a really nice extra income for those of us who can't farm T9.

You do not understand inflation then.    Economics 101.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Dinadas on February 17, 2015, 11:03:30 am
For example.  Let's say you need CT essences to aug your group.

T9 folk don't want to farm CT essences they stink.  They are willing to now pay 750k per essence due to abundance of plat.

If you were to buy 2 it'd cost you 2 weeks of income, vs them it's 20 minutes.

Everything goes up across the board.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Goth on February 17, 2015, 11:34:55 am
I’m not really convinced the trickle down effect really works



Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Warbash on February 17, 2015, 12:02:15 pm
I’m not really convinced the trickle down effect really works


It works great :) those that have, continue to have. Those that dont, dont :)


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Peign on February 17, 2015, 12:10:37 pm
I’m not really convinced the trickle down effect really works


It works great :) those that have, continue to have. Those that dont, dont :)

Trickle down does not apply here.  In a nutshell, the theory behind trickle down is that those with excess plat would generate businesses and thus employ those without.     Does not really apply to EQ. 

So, if I received tax breaks on my millions (or simply had to pay less) then I could afford to invest more into my business and employ more people. 


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Phah on February 17, 2015, 12:51:28 pm
I’m not really convinced the trickle down effect really works


It works great :) those that have, continue to have. Those that dont, dont :)

Trickle down does not apply here.  In a nutshell, the theory behind trickle down is that those with excess plat would generate businesses and thus employ those without.     Does not really apply to EQ. 

So, if I received tax breaks on my millions (or simply had to pay less) then I could afford to invest more into my business and employ more people. 

Those with excess plat (T9ers) are generating businesses and employing those of us lower down. It's called, "wtb CT essence" or "wtb gsoa". It's an at-will employment, i don't have to sell to you. but hell, if I can clear CT once and earn 2mil for my trouble cuz some T9er doesn't want to take the same amount of trouble, I'll do it. No one's making you spend that much either: you can buy it for the going rate, try to find someone who doesn't know what the going rate is and rip them off, or choose not to and instead farm them yourself.

At the top level, it's all related rates. If they drop plat in T9 by 50%, things will eventually see ~50% drop in prices. Yeah, I guess that will help people lower in progression who want to buy CT essence (and other stuff), but I'm not aware of such people existing...


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Peign on February 17, 2015, 12:57:28 pm
I’m not really convinced the trickle down effect really works


It works great :) those that have, continue to have. Those that dont, dont :)

Trickle down does not apply here.  In a nutshell, the theory behind trickle down is that those with excess plat would generate businesses and thus employ those without.     Does not really apply to EQ. 

So, if I received tax breaks on my millions (or simply had to pay less) then I could afford to invest more into my business and employ more people. 

Those with excess plat (T9ers) are generating businesses and employing those of us lower down. It's called, "wtb CT essence" or "wtb gsoa". It's an at-will employment, i don't have to sell to you. but hell, if I can clear CT once and earn 2mil for my trouble cuz some T9er doesn't want to take the same amount of trouble, I'll do it. No one's making you spend that much either: you can buy it for the going rate, try to find someone who doesn't know what the going rate is and rip them off, or choose not to and instead farm them yourself.

At the top level, it's all related rates. If they drop plat in T9 by 50%, things will eventually see ~50% drop in prices. Yeah, I guess that will help people lower in progression who want to buy CT essence (and other stuff), but I'm not aware of such people existing...

In the scenario above, anyone < T9 would be forced to pay inflated prices or farm the gear themselves.

Really does not matter to me.   Was simply pointing out that the plat drop rates in T9 may need to be reviewed as the server economy is a bit out of balance.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Warbash on February 17, 2015, 12:57:59 pm
I’m not really convinced the trickle down effect really works


It works great :) those that have, continue to have. Those that dont, dont :)

Trickle down does not apply here.  In a nutshell, the theory behind trickle down is that those with excess plat would generate businesses and thus employ those without.     Does not really apply to EQ. 

So, if I received tax breaks on my millions (or simply had to pay less) then I could afford to invest more into my business and employ more people. 

lol I know, just having some fun. However the post below is a modified version of that theory. A newb can come in and farm a few of these and get lots of plat from a t9'er. Hence the loads of plat in T9 is trickling down to the lower level peeps. So while this is a great boost to the newb, it screws everyone in between due to higher item prices. I'm in T8 and I would never pay 750k for a CT or even 300k for an SLS cause the plat is too precious for me.

For example.  Let's say you need CT essences to aug your group.

T9 folk don't want to farm CT essences they stink.  They are willing to now pay 750k per essence due to abundance of plat.

If you were to buy 2 it'd cost you 2 weeks of income, vs them it's 20 minutes.

Everything goes up across the board.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Castaway on February 17, 2015, 03:33:42 pm
So this guy is complaining he makes too much plat and there's guys out there who complain about a 8m GSoA when they are for sure the top 10 players ( leaderboards ) 20m plat a day,  probably not even hard grinding it just chilling people struggle to make even a mill or two a day. How about this have Akkadius or Hateborne delete everyone in t9 plat by 85% and leave everyone elses alone that will help the market. Stop trying to fuck the people that are coming up in tiers all of u end players do that shit, exploit the fuck out of something and then want it fixed.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Peign on February 17, 2015, 03:51:43 pm
So this guy is complaining he makes too much plat and there's guys out there who complain about a 8m GSoA when they are for sure the top 10 players ( leaderboards ) 20m plat a day,  probably not even hard grinding it just chilling people struggle to make even a mill or two a day. How about this have Akkadius or Hateborne delete everyone in t9 plat by 85% and leave everyone elses alone that will help the market. Stop trying to fuck the people that are coming up in tiers all of u end players do that shit, exploit the fuck out of something and then want it fixed.

First, who are you?

Second, control yourself little guy, no need to curse.  This is not the rants section.  Just simply pointing out a possible oversight.   

Third, feel free to shut your socialist pie hole.   You have no idea how much I grind lol.    Ask the top 10 players how much play time they have.     How much play time do you have?

Puffs plus isle 5 at your grocery store to dry your lil QQ eyes.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Castaway on February 17, 2015, 04:05:25 pm
My identity is to remain to my self. You do not need to know who I am but the words on your screen is what matters more, right?

Now that is laid out let's start off with, I will feel free to do with what I please just as much as you would do the same so don't try to act tough u pest

Also, like I said before you end game players exploit, it gets nerfed, complain, new players starting up have more difficulty than old gamers who went through the content originally

Edit: While you are right this is not a rants/flame section so I will /stop


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Peign on February 17, 2015, 04:07:57 pm
My identity is to remain to my self. You do not need to know who I am but the words on your screen is what matters more, right?

Now that is laid out let's start off with, I will feel free to do with what I please just as much as you would do the same so don't try to act tough u pest

Also, like I said before you end game players exploit, it gets nerfed, complain, new players starting up have more difficulty than old gamers who went through the content originally


Who Is You?


New players have it so so hard.   XP mask,  Chunka buffing every 2 min,  rainbow crystals dropping like rain, sitting in nexus begging for and getting loots.    Yeah, you new players have it rough.   Big time. 


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Darpey on February 17, 2015, 04:08:28 pm
To Peign's credit, he made a post about examining an arguably imbalanced thing that benefits him.

That and your (http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=331.msg9003#msg9003) post about 85% is rediculous.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: balidet on February 17, 2015, 04:30:21 pm
so the the top 6% of players can make money ....


no shit...


try making 20mil a day without 4 uw11s..


OHH wait you would not have the 4 uw11s if the plat drop rate is what it is...

so now that you have more money than you can spend and are closing in on finishing up you uw11 on toon 5 NOW you want to see the plat rate dropped?


how noble...


stop posting bullshit..

thank you.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Ugazel on February 17, 2015, 04:32:50 pm
I look at this like this, T9 is Endgame IF you make it to endgame you should be rewarded, imo leave the Plat drops alone SOME of us still need it....


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: warrior5 on February 17, 2015, 05:11:31 pm
Maslow I agree with these folks although I think you're a cool dude. It's not fair to ask for the change after you've made all the cash yourself.

As for the economy, hiring lowbies to farm CT ess etc. is exactly the same thing as the rich creating jobs in an economy - it's good for both parties.

Also, nearly all Halloween cash was spent on augs right away since augs didn't drop this year.

Regardless congrats on your pile of UWs if you get really bored and rich let me know I'll farm CT ess for 20mil any day ;) I have a hard time keeping more than 5 million on hand as is.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Peign on February 17, 2015, 05:19:14 pm
Maslow I agree with these folks although I think you're a cool dude. It's not fair to ask for the change after you've made all the cash yourself.

As for the economy, hiring lowbies to farm CT ess etc. is exactly the same thing as the rich creating jobs in an economy - it's good for both parties.

Also, nearly all Halloween cash was spent on augs right away since augs didn't drop this year.

Regardless congrats on your pile of UWs if you get really bored and rich let me know I'll farm CT ess for 20mil any day ;) I have a hard time keeping more than 5 million on hand as is.


Not asking for a change.   Asking for it to be reviewed to ensure it is aligned with intent vice an oversight.   If it is working as designed, sweet.    It is no biggie to me anyway.    

I had 4 UW's since long before the dailies were introduced and T9 changes occurred.    Maybe since April of 2014.   Took a break before thanksgiving in 2014 and just came back 2 weeks ago /shrug.    Anyway, my gear, my grind time is all irrelevant.    The purpose of this post is to see if it is working as designed or if it is an oversight.  

If it is working as designed, sweet, keep on rolling baby!


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: warrior5 on February 17, 2015, 05:34:23 pm
Maslow I agree with these folks although I think you're a cool dude. It's not fair to ask for the change after you've made all the cash yourself.

As for the economy, hiring lowbies to farm CT ess etc. is exactly the same thing as the rich creating jobs in an economy - it's good for both parties.

Also, nearly all Halloween cash was spent on augs right away since augs didn't drop this year.

Regardless congrats on your pile of UWs if you get really bored and rich let me know I'll farm CT ess for 20mil any day ;) I have a hard time keeping more than 5 million on hand as is.


Not asking for a change.   Asking for it to be reviewed to ensure it is aligned with intent vice an oversight.   If it is working as designed, sweet.    It is no biggie to me anyway.    

I had 4 UW's since long before the dailies were introduced and T9 changes occurred.    Maybe since April of 2014.   Took a break before thanksgiving in 2014 and just came back 2 weeks ago /shrug.    Anyway, my gear, my grind time is all irrelevant.    The purpose of this post is to see if it is working as designed or if it is an oversight.  

If it is working as designed, sweet, keep on rolling baby!

Fair enough.  8)


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: WatchYouDie on February 17, 2015, 05:41:17 pm
not everyone hardcore farms for 10+ hours a day either


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Peign on February 17, 2015, 05:42:19 pm
not everyone hardcore farms for 10+ hours a day either

true, my numbers are based on 10-12 hours hard core grinding... minimal breaks.    So perhaps they are skewed.   


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Raygan on February 17, 2015, 08:09:24 pm
I don't think t9 plat rates are what is causing the problem.....it all started around Halloween with the HUGE amount of plat that flooded the market.  I made a comment that prices would stay high afterwards (if anyone remembers the analogy of politicians putting taxes on stuff with the promise to remove them later comment I made) and looks like they have stayed that way.

When you have t9 as the top tier and people max out SoA/strike augs/UW and have nothing to spend money on other than maxing out alts...and have a shit ton of plat this is going to happen.  Let the next tier out and people will have to buy stuff to max out gear for that level.  of course if you were to put stuff like SLS etc on Crafter's Guild vendor...it would help remove money from the economy and that might help some.

Also I made different paragraphs to make you happy, Rent.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: warrior5 on February 17, 2015, 08:29:08 pm
On a related note, CT essences seem to drop at an unusually low rate - which obviously drives the price up. Working as intended?


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Raygan on February 18, 2015, 05:06:15 am
of course another way to combat all this is to make all essences/gsoa/etc all no drop...then cant be sold....


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Chunka on February 18, 2015, 12:27:22 pm
They'd still be sold....just differently.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: WatchYouDie on February 18, 2015, 04:33:49 pm
They'd still be sold....just differently.

 and more expensive for hassle


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Rent Due on February 20, 2015, 05:12:30 am

Also I made different paragraphs to make you happy, Rent.

It rubs the lotion on the Rent :)

as for T9 plat. It seems in line to me. if you can make it to T9 and are able to farm it at the rate to make that much plat in day, good for you.

I am a huge advocate for NOT changing shit after a small % of people have already gained from the way it is currently.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Adydar on February 20, 2015, 07:22:41 am
I am a huge advocate for NOT changing shit after a small % of people have already gained from the way it is currently.

+1


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Peign on February 20, 2015, 08:39:00 am

Also I made different paragraphs to make you happy, Rent.

I am a huge advocate for NOT changing shit after a small % of people have already gained from the way it is currently.

Interesting, you are an advocate of changing things when it is too hard.    However you are not a fan of changing things when it is clearly too easy and or imbalanced.

Interesting.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: Rent Due on February 20, 2015, 12:09:47 pm
I'm a fan of not changing shit that 10% of the server has reaped the benefits from over and over then change it in a way that new people or the other 90% of the server can not reap the same benefits from, in the same manner as that 10% did.

But really who cares at this point, other than the 90% that gets screwed. As long as the top 10% still get the rewards

And yeah I'm always for making shit easier. Hell you should be able to create a new character that starts at lvl 78 max everything. That has always been my position on the game. You should get 500 billion plat as starting plat. Hell make it so that you don't even have to log in to win. Logging in is such a pita.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: warrior5 on February 20, 2015, 01:23:33 pm
I agree with rent. Logging in is a real pita. Let's be honest guys we don't actually want to play the game and enjoy it. Our suggestions are all about AVOIDING playing the game - even the fun parts. Auto level 78 and 500 billion plat at creation sounds like a great idea.

If it's boring, "make it less boring" isn't the same as "give me free stuff!" Same goes for not nerfing the 90%.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: WatchYouDie on February 20, 2015, 01:30:29 pm
Changing drop rates doesn't make the game less boring...it just makes it more trivial.... New content is what makes it less boring... the drop rate was increased in almost all zones by double before Hunter passed... think about that


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: warrior5 on February 20, 2015, 01:31:27 pm
Read my last post under the CT topic. It doesn't have to be drop rates to make it less boring.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: balidet on February 20, 2015, 02:16:06 pm
all of you ALL OF YOU

Including myself...

You all have at least 1 UW either maxed or very near...

nothing is hard its just a time sink..


NONE OF US NEED MORE GEAR.. we can easily kill anything this game has to offer atm..


So we are squabbling over bullshit topics like this because we are bored...


I 100% guarantee that once new content is finished all of this trivial bitch fest comment threads will die.



its ok.. its human nature...let it out man...


Leave everything as it is...could it be tweaked ? yes.... should it? probably... would it stop the bitches....no


I think are admins get this so they let us fume and vomit on here just to get it out of our system somewhat...

they are working on new stuff...they know we need new stuff..but this shit is not paying the bills so prioritizes people...


log in ..talk some shit...farm that CT/GM/GSOA or whatever you are working on and just deal with it.


Title: Re: Plat Drops in T9
Post by: warrior5 on February 20, 2015, 02:18:00 pm
hehe