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Title: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: hateborne on January 21, 2016, 10:03:46 pm
Looking for Parses!

I am trying to gather accurate understandings of each class. Short of me spawning and gearing out EVERY class with EVERY combination of gear, I would like some help! Would prefer thoses T7-T9, but all are welcome. T10 will be slightly...'off' due to the new damage scaling.

Below is an example of what I'm looking for:
Druidxxx - 78 Druid, UCv3, Mana Necklace XI, full Old Commons gear.
DMG: 244092490 @ 1025599 sdps (1025599 dps in 238s) [100%]

Character name, level, class, relevant gear, DPS, and total fight time. Color highlighting entirely optional, i just want that specific info. :-D


-Hate


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: hateborne on January 21, 2016, 10:14:20 pm
PREFACE: Everything tested here is full T9.

Bardxxx - 78 Bard, UCv3, NSXI x2, Songs: Tempest Blade III, Ancient: Call of Power, War March of Muram
DMG: 1370679906 @ 1458170 sdps (1458170 dps in 940s) [100%]

Bardxxx - 78 Bard, UCv3, NSXI x2, Earring of the Brutal Ages Rank 50, Songs: Tempest Blade III, Ancient: Call of Power, War March of Muram
DMG: 926818948 @ 1555065 sdps (1555065 dps in 596s) [100%]

Beastlordxxx - 78 Beastlord, UCv3, NSXI x2 (1Hx2), 9.0 pet, Buffs: Hulkamania (pet)
DMG: 782220016 @ 2222216 sdps (2222216 dps in 352s) [100%]

Beastlordxxx - 78 Beastlord, UCv3, NSXI x2 (1Hx2), 9.0 pet, Earring of the Brutal Ages Rank 50, Buffs: Hulkamania (pet)
DMG: 1658954677 @ 2797563 sdps (2797563 dps in 593s) [100%]

Beastlordxxx - 78 Beastlord, UCv3, NSXI x2 (2H), 9.0 pet, Buffs: Hulkamania (pet)
DMG: 1247918534 @ 2399843 sdps (2399843 dps in 520s) [100%]

Beastlordxxx - 78 Beastlord, UCv3, NSXI x2 (2H), 9.0 pet, Earring of the Brutal Ages Rank 50, Buffs: Hulkamania (pet)
DMG: 1458208260 @ 3019065 sdps (3019065 dps in 483s) [100%]

Berserkerxxx - 78 Berserker, UCv3, FSXI x2, Buffs: None
DMG: 1328396069 @ 1282236 sdps (1282236 dps in 1036s) [100%]

Berserkerxxx - 78 Berserker, UCv3, FSXI x2, Earring of the Brutal Ages Rank 50, Buffs: None
DMG: 1775222201 @ 1374011 sdps (1374011 dps in 1292s) [100%]

Clericxxx - 78 Cleric, UCv3, ICXI, Buffs: None
DMG: 168493020 @ 273972 sdps (273972 dps in 615s) [100%]

Druidxxx - 78 Druid, UCv3, Mana Necklace XI, Nature Walker's Behest III (pet), Buffs: Form of Werewolf II
DMG: 244092490 @ 1025599 sdps (1025599 dps in 238s) [100%]

Druidxxx- 78 Druid, UCv3, Mana Necklace XI, Nature Walker's Behest III (pet), Earring of Mystic Ages Rank 50. Buffs: Form of Werewolf II
DMG: 504246068 @ 1470105 sdps (1470105 dps in 343s) [100%]

Enchanterxxx - 78 Enchanter, UCv3, 9.0 class aug pet, Buffs: Timeless: Vampiric Thunder, Timeless: Haste, Koadic's Boundless Intellect III, Shield of the Eldritch III
DMG: 696688849 @ 1537944 sdps (1537944 dps in 453s) [100%]

Enchanterxxx - 78 Enchanter, UCv3, 9.0 class aug pet, Earring of the Mystic Ages Rank 50, Buffs: Timeless: Vampiric Thunder, Timeless: Haste, Koadic's Boundless Intellect III, Shield of the Eldritch III
DMG: 1012087168 @ 1681208 sdps (1681208 dps in 602s) [100%]

Magicianxxx - 78 Magician, UCv3, 9.0 pet, Mana Neck XI, Buffs: Elemental Rage II (pet) (Spamming Shylo's Bolt of Doom III)
DMG: 1632712280 @ 2979402 sdps (2979402 dps in 548s) [100%]

Magicianxxx - 78 Magician, UCv3, 9.0 pet, Mana Neck XI, Earring of the Mystic Ages Rank 50, Buffs: Elemental Rage II (pet) (Spamming Shylo's Bolt of Doom III)
DMG: 3893763932 @ 3945050 sdps (3945050 dps in 987s) [100%]

Magicianxxx - 78 Magician, UCv3, 9.0 pet, Mana Neck XI, Buffs: Elemental Rage II (pet) (Spamming Taelosian Victory II)
DMG: 450618896 @ 1719919 sdps (1719919 dps in 262s) [100%]

Magicianxxx- 78 Magician, UCv3, 9.0 pet, Mana Neck XI, Earring of the Mystic Ages Rank 50, Buffs: Elemental Rage II (pet) (Spamming Taelosian Victory II)
DMG: 1614909574 @ 2511523 sdps (2511523 dps in 643s) [100%]

Monkxxx - 78 Monk, UCv3, NSXI x2 (1Hx2), Buffs: None
DMG: 649389351 @ 2035703 sdps (2035703 dps in 319s) [100%]

Monkxxx - 78 Monk, UCv3, NSXI x2 (1Hx2), Earring of the Brutal Ages Rank 50, Buffs: None
DMG: 715307617 @ 2292653 sdps (2292653 dps in 312s) [100%]

Monkxxx - 78 Monk, UCv3, NSXI x2 (2H), Buffs: None
DMG: 1253320062 @ 2064778 sdps (2064778 dps in 607s) [100%]

Monkxxx - 78 Monk, UCv3, NSXI x2 (2H), Earring of the Brutal Ages Rank 50, Buffs: None
DMG: 3477858680 @ 2144179 sdps (2144179 dps in 1622s) [100%]

Necromancerxxx - 78 Necromancer, UCv3, 9.0 pet, Mana Neck XI Buffs: Avatar of Undeath, Glyph of Darkness
DMG: 1296869876 @ 2275210 sdps (2275210 dps in 570s) [100%]

Necromancerxxx - 78 Necromancer, UCv3, 9.0 pet, Mana Neck XI, Earring of the Mystic Ages Rank 50 Buffs: Avatar of Undeath, Glyph of Darkness
DMG: 1560469171 @ 3612197 sdps (3612197 dps in 432s) [100%]

Paladinxxx - 78 Paladin, UCv3, FSXI, (1H & Shield) 9.0 defensive aug, Buffs: None
DMG: 387133535 @ 778941 sdps (778941 dps in 497s) [100%]

Paladinxxx - 78 Paladin, UCv3, FSXI x2, (2H) 9.0 healing aug, Buffs: Crusader Fury II
DMG: 817322928 @ 1446589 sdps (1446589 dps in 565s) [100%]

Rangerxxx - 78 Ranger, UCv3, NSXI x2, (1Hx2), Buffs: Howl of the Huntmaster II, Secrets' Secret Ranger Secrets
DMG: 754981477 @ 2108887 sdps (2108887 dps in 358s) [100%]

Rangerxxx - 78 Ranger, UCv3, NSXI x2, (1Hx2), Earring of the Brutal Ages Rank 50, Buffs: Howl of the Huntmaster II, Secrets' Secret Ranger Secrets
DMG: 2682058115 @ 2310128 sdps (2310128 dps in 1161s) [100%]

Rangerxxx - 78 Ranger, UCv3, NSXI x2, (Bow), Buffs: Howl of the Huntmaster II, Secrets' Secret Ranger Secrets
DMG: 1851721767 @ 2472259 sdps (2472259 dps in 749s) [100%]

Rangerxxx - 78 Ranger, UCv3, NSXI x2, (Bow), Earring of the Brutal Ages Rank 50, Buffs: Howl of the Huntmaster II, Secrets' Secret Ranger Secrets
DMG: 2884629633 @ 2673429 sdps (2673429 dps in 1079s) [100%]

Roguexxx - 78 Rogue, UCv3, NSXI x2, Buffs: None
DMG: 556544209 @ 1712444 sdps (1712444 dps in 325s) [100%]

Roguexxx - 78 Rogue, UCv3, NSXI x2, Earring of the Brutal Ages Rank 50, Buffs: None
DMG: 2421823553 @ 1752405 sdps (1752405 dps in 1382s) [100%]

Shadowknightxxx - 78 SK, FSXI x1, UCv3, (1H & Shield) SK Defensive Aug 9.0, Buffs: NONE
DMG: 350586567 @ 758845 sdps (760491 dps in 461s) [100%]

Shadowknightxxx - 78 SK, FSXI x1, UCv3, (1H & Shield) SK Offensive Aug 9.0, Buffs: NONE
DMG: 235492175 @ 762111 sdps (762111 dps in 309s) [100%]

Shadowknightxxx - 78 SK, FSXI x1, UCv3, (1H & Shield) SK Offensive Aug 9.0, Buffs: Call of the Void V
DMG: 416180466 @ 1333912 sdps (1333912 dps in 312s) [100%]

Shadowknightxxx - 78 SK, FSXI x2, UCv3, (2H) SK Defensive Aug 9.0, Buffs: NONE
DMG: 456090997 @ 1476023 sdps (1476023 dps in 309s) [100%]

Shadowknightxxx - 78 SK, FSXI x2, UCv3, (2H) SK Offensive Aug 9.0, Buffs: NONE
DMG: 393967139 @ 1330970 sdps (1330970 dps in 296s) [100%]

Shadowknightxxx - 78 SK, FSXI x2, UCv3, (2H) SK Offensive Aug 9.0, Buffs: Call of the Void V
DMG: 704340591 @ 1913969 sdps (1913969 dps in 368s) [100%]

Shamanxxx - 78 Shaman, ISXI x1, UCv3, My Pet Crab II (pet) Buffs: Spirit of the Kraken II (self and pet), Ancestral Honor 9.0
DMG: 184178254 @ 489836 sdps (489836 dps in 376s) [100%]

Warriorxxx - 78 Warrior, ISXI x1, UCv3, (1H & Shield) Buffs: Warrior Class Aug 9.0 click (lol)
DMG: 134821996 @ 425306 sdps (425306 dps in 317s) [100%]

Warriorxxx - 78 Warrior, ISXI x2, UCv3, (2H) Buffs: Warrior Class Aug 9.0 click (lol)
DMG: 335178291 @ 893809 sdps (893809 dps in 375s) [100%]

Hateborne - 78 Wizard, UCv3, Mana Necklace XI, Buffs: Curious Creation III (Spamming Hateborne's Glacial Gift II)
DMG: 796973422 @ 1844846 sdps (1844846 dps in 432s) [100%]

Hateborne - 78 Wizard, UCv3, Mana Necklace XI, Buffs: Curious Creation III (Spamming Yamakagi's Fiery Passion Inferno IV)
DMG: 441975000 @ 2428434 sdps (2428434 dps in 182s) [100%]

Hateborne - 78 Wizard, UCv3, Mana Necklace XI, Earring of the Mystic Ages Rank 50, Buffs: Curious Creation III (Spamming Hateborne's Glacial Gift II)
DMG: 1221150000 @ 3282661 sdps (3282661 dps in 372s) [100%]

Hateborne - 78 Wizard, UCv3, Mana Necklace XI, Earring of the Mystic Ages Rank 50, Buffs: Curious Creation III (Spamming Yamakagi's Fiery Passion Inferno IV)
DMG: 1627620000 @ 5008062 sdps (5008062 dps in 325s) [100%]


-Hate


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: hateborne on January 21, 2016, 10:33:54 pm
Relayed to me via chat:

Wizard (using Yamakagi's IV) - Curious Creation III, Mana Necklace XI, UCv2, Tserrina Staff : 2.6mil DPS
Magician (using Taelosian Victory II) - 9.0 pet, Summoner's Pack, UW1 & Tserrina Whip, Mana Necklace XI, Tserrina Medallion (Pet bonuses, mana regen) : 3.5mil DPS
Monk - UCv3, NSXII x2 : 4.2mil DPS


-Hate


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Darpey on January 21, 2016, 10:35:34 pm
DPS parse summary of all replies on the last DPS parse thread we had

Quote
Parse Summary

DPS shown in millions

Warbash (UC1, Strike 9 x1)
Rogue 0.47
Monk 0.44
Ranger 0.39
Beastlord 0.36 (Pet: 0.12) (TOTAL: 0.48)
Bard: 0.35

Rymo (UW11, UC3)
War 6.74 (EoBA 50)
Pal 2.82
Ber 5.35
Rog 6.65 (EoBA 50)
Monk 5.35
Ranger 3.99

Rent (UC2, max strike/neck)
Wiz: 0.40
Mage: 0.91

Warrior5
War: 0.48 (Anger 5x3, 6x1 ~ UC1 MoF)
Monk: 0.45 (NS5x2 ~ S50 ~ MoF)
Monk: 0.17 (NS5x2 ~ MoF)
Ranger: 0.16 (MoF)
Berserker: 0.09 (MoF)
Bard: 0.02 (BU)
Berserker: 0.011 (BU)
Enchanter: 0.004 (CD)
Wizard:  0.004 (CD)
Cleric: 0.0009 (IG)

Darpey (UC2, max strike)
War: 5.75 (UW10, UC3, HS4)
Rogue: 2.14
Monk: 1.99
Berserker: 1.63
Bard: 1.52
Paladin: 0.87

Aythena
Rogue: 3.04 (NS10x2, UC2)
Monk: 2.78 (NS10x2, UC2)
Berserker: 1.51 (FS10x1, UC2)
Necromancer: 1.11 (Death 3)
Mage: 0.86 (Mana Neck 10, UC2)
Bard: 0.53 (UC1)
Enchanter: 0.45 (Mana Neck 10, UC1)
Druid: 0.34 (UC1)
Paladin: 0.34 (UC1)
Paladin: 0.29 (UC1)
Shaman: 0.26 (UC1)
Warrior: 1.45 (UW8, UC2)


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: hateborne on January 21, 2016, 10:47:56 pm
Glorious! Thank you!


-Hate


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Rymo on January 22, 2016, 02:11:08 am
Triple attack (Server Code Update 8/23/2015) after, my post is
http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=4586.msg62581#msg62581
and
http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=4586.msg62795#msg62795
at level 77.  Fighters guild dummy.

But the data is a little old. (5 months ago)


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Rent Due on January 22, 2016, 08:53:40 am
My bard - 78 bard, UCv3, NSXI x2, UWXI, EoTA's 50, ROA 1000
DMG: 4562 @ 4958 sdps (4958 dps in 9874s) [100%]

I think bards need more dps..........

ok maybe these numbers aren't completely real, but hey bards need more dps! help!



Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Darpey on January 22, 2016, 09:27:50 am
When I first wrote the wiki - I put

Shadow Knight

Primary Uses: "Tanking Worse than a warrior"

It was done as a semi-joke, but it's completely true. They're a worthless class (in that they're the same as warrior, but worse in every way)

At least most classes have SOME niche - like Shaman has an HP buff, Enchanter has a buff, Bard is DPS + proc song, etc...

Unless there's something I'm missing.


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: hateborne on January 22, 2016, 11:34:40 am
When I first wrote the wiki - I put

Shadow Knight

Primary Uses: "Tanking Worse than a warrior"

It was done as a semi-joke, but it's completely true. They're a worthless class (in that they're the same as warrior, but worse in every way)

At least most classes have SOME niche - like Shaman has an HP buff, Enchanter has a buff, Bard is DPS + proc song, etc...

Unless there's something I'm missing.

I'll be the first to say that their DPS is terrible. It needs love for it to be realistically considered "DPS".

Their defensive though isn't that bad. I was lightly soloing in T10 with same gear as the standard warrior in there. 1-2 mobs I could solo without issue. 3 or more, I needed a healer as 1 Lifetap every 5 seconds wasn't cutting it. :-)


-Hate


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Chunka on January 22, 2016, 01:25:08 pm
Gear em up, run em smart and SK do fine tanking. No, they or a pally arent anywhere near the DPS of a warrior with the same tier gear....maybe that could use some changes.

I recently did a baby SK just running early content and they did fine as long as I wasnt stupid enough to try and solo em. I do not care WHAT has been posted here (usually by higher tier players who havent tried it) they wont solo worth shit. Add heals and support and DPS and they do fine. No, not as easy mode mass pull mass kill as a warrior, but still solid if you adjust your play style a bit.

As for bards.....Rent, run some parses against a monk with the same gear and buffs. The results might shock you. Bards do more damage (by a decent amount) per proc on strikes than any other class.


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Leis on January 22, 2016, 01:51:16 pm
Is there a recast on the Sk epic clicks, and how long does the debuff from the defensive click last?


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: hateborne on January 22, 2016, 03:51:24 pm
Is there a recast on the Sk epic clicks, and how long does the debuff from the defensive click last?

Yes. 1min on harm touch, ~5min on debuff?


-Hate


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Leis on January 22, 2016, 04:20:15 pm
Thanks


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: hateborne on January 23, 2016, 02:18:18 am
Need to reparse BST/MNK with 2hb.
Need to reparse MNK with that t3 clicky. #%$!@%^
Reparse necromancer with newly summoned pet after equipping Earring50.
Reparse magician with newly summoned pet after equipping Earring50.
Berserker, Rogue, Bard, Enchanter, Magician, Cleric, Paladin, and Ranger need to be tested too.


-Hate


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Raygan on January 24, 2016, 08:08:44 am
How long of a parse are you needing and can anyone put the link for the parse download...I can test all those toons left


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Darpey on January 24, 2016, 05:40:07 pm
Wiki Parsing Guide (http://ezserverwiki.com/Parse)


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Leis on February 03, 2016, 10:53:23 am
All the scaling zones scale to the average level of the players in the zone.


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: balidet on February 10, 2016, 12:53:51 pm
I am going to parse all of my toons tonight... what zone is best? just the training dummy?

going to do real world parse will fill raid buffs cause thats how it works in game..


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: hateborne on February 10, 2016, 02:41:04 pm
I am going to parse all of my toons tonight... what zone is best? just the training dummy?

going to do real world parse will fill raid buffs cause thats how it works in game..

Yes, it's easiest in an instanced QRG for lack of spam.


-Hate


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Chunka on February 10, 2016, 07:46:36 pm
I ran some for a bit tonight. I ran all of these with NO UC charm, since I have some UC2, some UC3. Also no buffs from any other class, just self buffs. In the case of the bard, I ran no songs at all. Damage was on FG dummy.

T9 BST 794 seconds NO UC charm, no VT, Shadowman Fist X 2, NSXI x 2 with 9.0 pet, pet fully buffed by BST, OWS equipped: BST 535275 DPS pet 267237 dps.

T9 Ranger: 766 seconds, T9 with Twhip and T9 sword and 2 NSXI, no charm, clicking epic on bow as often as possible: 531819 dps.

T9 Monk: 693 seconds, NSXI x 2, Shadowman Fist X 2, no charm, no buffs: 614272 dps

T9 Bard: 792 seconds, T9 sword and Twhip, no buffs, no songs: 579401

Interesting! Looks like the AA changes had a sizable impact on the BST. But....the UC has no impact at all on pet dps, so once you pop on the charm some of the other melee classes should outstrip the BST by a bit.




Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Chunka on February 10, 2016, 07:51:27 pm
Oh, and one thing, Hate....the Christmas event spell damage augs have absolutely no impact whatsoever on spell damage, regardless what buffs/items you have or dont have on. Dim brought up a good point....the augs are weapon proc augs, and because of such will they EVER have an effect on anything? The spell damage bump is a stat, and as he points out as such they wont (or shouldnt) do anything for the character. Would the aug work as intended if it gave a procced buff on the cast?


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: hateborne on February 10, 2016, 08:10:44 pm
Oh, and one thing, Hate....the Christmas event spell damage augs have absolutely no impact whatsoever on spell damage, regardless what buffs/items you have or dont have on. Dim brought up a good point....the augs are weapon proc augs, and because of such will they EVER have an effect on anything? The spell damage bump is a stat, and as he points out as such they wont (or shouldnt) do anything for the character. Would the aug work as intended if it gave a procced buff on the cast?

That's a valid point, though the "Proc Slot" is just a modification of the global strings file. Let me do some tinkering to see if I can get them functional. These should be working now as of today, but they seem to not be...yet. ;-)


-Hate


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Dimur on February 10, 2016, 09:24:27 pm
From the link Chunka gave me, it looked like it was set to be slot 22, limiting it to proc slot...it was already class limited to casters and slot limited to primary, secondary and range so couldn't you just mirror a heroic resist aug and put the worn effect on that?  So heroic resist X or whatever level + worn effect, that way they don't have to sacrifice much if any resist and can still get the worn caster bonus effect out of it.


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Brannyn on February 11, 2016, 05:11:11 am
Last I checked the spell dmg augs actually did increase damage, but ONLY on nukes.  Might be something about it being magic based as well but I can't remember.


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Chunka on February 11, 2016, 08:40:58 am
I took off everything....all buffs, curious creation, UC, mana neck....same damage with or without aug slotted, on any wizzie nuke. No effect on dots, no effect on either mage nuke, same method.


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: balidet on February 11, 2016, 10:13:01 am
I tried to parse last night and it kept crashing out around 200 seconds..
I will do this again but my warrior is over 7.52mil dps and I think he is just crashing it.. just strait attack on with no disc


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Dimur on February 11, 2016, 12:57:40 pm
Yeah, the parser has a hard time when you reach a certain amount of damage but you can split the log up by timestamps...I usually keep it to 120 seconds when splitting the log and it seems to be okay.


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: balidet on February 11, 2016, 01:34:39 pm
well these parse are kind of funny cause you do a rogue but the rogue cant BS during the parse so you only get a fraction of his real dps...and buffs make a HUGE difference...

my warrior is a strait villain on dps but then again you are not seeing the massive riposte damage as well so that is not even acurate...

the wizzy  gets a massive aoe burst...its all just bullshit really...

we are getting strait up damage that has no basis in game if we hit /attack on and I see it as all bad data unless its monk or strait 1 target nuking with pet... so the enchanters and mages and Beastlords have actually inflated numbers because they are a strait nuke/pet 1 target dps creature.... the necros zerks and wizzys have an aoe component we cant measure ...


so /shrug bad data in bad data out i guess....infer what you want from it but its not accurate.

Edit;


not trying to be a negative cunt about it.... I just wish I could really do these parses vrs real fights and see the data is all:)


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: krazycrakker on February 11, 2016, 07:38:57 pm
Wow go ire are those numbers possible


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Chunka on February 11, 2016, 08:33:31 pm
Why cant a rogue backstab on a parse?


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: hateborne on February 11, 2016, 08:34:09 pm
well these parse are kind of funny cause you do a rogue but the rogue cant BS during the parse so you only get a fraction of his real dps...and buffs make a HUGE difference...

How? I converted Practice Dummy to stationary, non-combative. Love for the rogues.

my warrior is a strait villain on dps but then again you are not seeing the massive riposte damage as well so that is not even acurate...
If I do riposte damage, I've got to test against MANY mob types and various mob counts. Yes, that's a more accurate account of DPS, but I'm looking for a ballpark baseline. :-)

the wizzy  gets a massive aoe burst...its all just bullshit really...
How often is EVERY fight AOE? Even so, with the 15 or 24s CD, that's a small chunk relatively speaking.

we are getting strait up damage that has no basis in game if we hit /attack on and I see it as all bad data unless its monk or strait 1 target nuking with pet... so the enchanters and mages and Beastlords have actually inflated numbers because they are a strait nuke/pet 1 target dps creature.... the necros zerks and wizzys have an aoe component we cant measure ...
LoL if you want to parse literally every scenario humanly possible, please do. I'll even throw you 300 credits for this kind of data for every class in every situation. Given that we both don't have the ability or time to spend days writing automated DPS bots....this is 'middle-of-the-road' situation. Not amazing, definitely not @#%@, and the first semi-accurate OVERALL parse we've ever had.

so /shrug bad data in bad data out i guess....infer what you want from it but its not accurate.

Edit;
not trying to be a negative ---- about it.... I just wish I could really do these parses vrs real fights and see the data is all:)

I know, but you have to understand the reality of the situation, I am not Blizzard. I don't have an army of players BEGGING to spend hundreds of hours on a test server just so they can preemptively whine about upcoming patches. If we get to that point (playerbase), you better believe I'm going to do some extreme precision parsing. For now, this is all I can muster. :-)


-Hate


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Chunka on February 11, 2016, 08:37:44 pm
A few things: first the practice dummy doesnt agro anymore, so backstab to your heart's content. Second, even if they still agro'd I backstabbed during parses all the time......I just put the war on the dummy a few, no weapon equipped, and stood the tank rightr on top of the dummy....then put rogue at max melee range. Constant backstab :P

As to the other, you're right on the money there. But I DO parse during fights, and overall the difference for DPS (except for warrior and for some reason bard) isnt much different (non AE dps, that is....I do wish there were a reliable AE meter for dps).


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: hateborne on February 11, 2016, 08:56:51 pm
A few things: first the practice dummy doesnt agro anymore, so backstab to your heart's content. Second, even if they still agro'd I backstabbed during parses all the time......I just put the war on the dummy a few, no weapon equipped, and stood the tank rightr on top of the dummy....then put rogue at max melee range. Constant backstab :P

As to the other, you're right on the money there. But I DO parse during fights, and overall the difference for DPS (except for warrior and for some reason bard) isnt much different (non AE dps, that is....I do wish there were a reliable AE meter for dps).

Maybe this next week I'll quickly convert a zone to a parse zone. I'll setup groups of npcs to AoE test, riposte test, etc etc. :-)

One of the small, one-two room zones like chambersa/b.


-Hate


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Rent Due on February 12, 2016, 10:51:33 am
A few things: first the practice dummy doesnt agro anymore, so backstab to your heart's content. Second, even if they still agro'd I backstabbed during parses all the time......I just put the war on the dummy a few, no weapon equipped, and stood the tank rightr on top of the dummy....then put rogue at max melee range. Constant backstab :P

As to the other, you're right on the money there. But I DO parse during fights, and overall the difference for DPS (except for warrior and for some reason bard) isnt much different (non AE dps, that is....I do wish there were a reliable AE meter for dps).

Maybe this next week I'll quickly convert a zone to a parse zone. I'll setup groups of npcs to AoE test, riposte test, etc etc. :-)

One of the small, one-two room zones like chambersa/b.


-Hate

is that like the torture room? like jig-saw stuff? or like S&M stuff? where can we sign up for this?


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: balidet on February 12, 2016, 11:10:26 am
this zone sounds epic!:)


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: Rent Due on February 12, 2016, 11:38:53 am
whips? chains? midgets? I wanna know what all is gonna be in this "Room of Hate"

either way, I'm signing up!


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: hateborne on March 02, 2016, 01:58:49 pm
Removed two full pages of posts from this thread as it degenerated into a pissing match...again. Keep it on topic or create another topic. Not in the mood for this constant pissing match in every thread.


-Hate


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: warrior5 on March 09, 2016, 02:14:56 am
Did a parse today, consisted of two clears of T8 so a good sample of real combat (small pulls 1-8 mobs each). I have all classes except necro and beastlord so hopefully this is helpful. The only toon here who isn't using their spells properly is mage (I just use him for coh...). Everything else should be an accurate representation of a properly geared T9/T8 crew (as opposed to all end-game t10+ which is mostly what we see parses on and I don't believe reflects the reality most players deal with). Everyone has basically the same buffs except the MT who obviously had some more. Only the main tank has a UW and only the wizard has a MN. All toons have appropriate augs and armor for their tier (all X/IX augs basically) except bard and SK are using goblinstrike X/IXs over NS/FS X/IX and casters use stratagems fwiw. Total fight time for all was 2200 seconds.

78 tank (main warrior) - UWIX + UC2
77 pally - UC2
77 hot (pally2) - UC1
77 cleric
77 monk - UC1
77 bard - UC1
77 zerk - UC2
76 babe (monk2) - UC1
77 shaman - UC1
77 zerkette (zerk2) - UC2
76 nature (ranger)
77 enchanter - UC1
76 wizzy - UC2 + MNX
77 rogue - UC2
76 priest (druid)
76 war (backup tank)
76 shadow (sk)
76 mage

Toon    ----------  DPS  ----------  % of Tot

78 uwix uc2 Godtank (war)    ----------     4,899,381     ----------    37.57%
77 uc2 Godrogue + pets    ----------     1,298,066     ----------    9.95%
77 uc2 Godzerk + pets    ----------     943,832     ----------    7.24%
76 uc1 Godbabe + pets (mnk)    ----------     942,078     ----------    7.22%
77 uc2 Godzerkette + pets    ----------     939,337     ----------    7.20%
77 uc1 Godmonk + pets    ----------     781,023     ----------    5.99%
77 uc2 Godpally + pets    ----------     729,918     ----------    5.60%
76 Godnature + pets (rng)    ----------     678,590     ----------    5.20%
77 uc1 Godhottie + pets (pal)    ----------     555,737     ----------    4.26%
76 uc2 mnx Godwizzy + pets    ----------     469,312     ----------    3.60%
77 Godbard    ----------     289,596     ----------    2.22%
77 uc1 Godchantress    ----------     209,121     ----------    1.60%
76 Godshadow + pets (sk)    ----------     141,479     ----------    1.08%
77 Godshammy + pets    ----------     78,954     ----------    0.61%
76 Godwar + pets    ----------     59,462     ----------    0.46%
77 Godcleric + pets    ----------     7,927     ----------    0.06%
76 Godmage + pets    ----------     6,453     ----------    0.05%
76 Godpriest + pets    ----------     3,092     ----------    0.02%
Total    ----------     13,040,639     ----------    100%

My major takeaways from all this:

1.) My wizard is arguably my second best geared toon next to my main tank, she has a mana neck X (best for her level otherwise I would upgrade), and a UC2. I've spent extra time and resources on this toon specifically because I hear wizards have good dps / usefulness in t10 and I want to test the mananeck changes. I have her casting HBGGII because I want single target DPS as I usually deal with small pulls. I'm disappointed to see she is still doing less DPS than my paladins, my non-uc ranger, and my zerks all of which have lesser gear than her. I'm not saying the wizard won't crush DPS when I beat the game - I'm providing a DPS as is for T9/T8 crew. It doesn't matter much to me what DPS she will do once I've finished all her gear - I care about how useful she is along the way.

2.) A second warrior using 2x Anger VI in later tiers has been relegated to the worthless category. Even if he had a UC 1, 2, or 3 it's obvious his DPS would still be terrible (like the 400k/800k in Hate's end-game parse). Using ISX would only make it worse - I never understood why warriors share an aug with lowly casters who don't even melee. Warriors are officially useless without UW and/or when they aren't being used for tanking. Compare his DPS to the non-uc ranger and you'll see what I mean. If the intention was to guarantee folks wouldn't use more than one warrior it works - but personally I like warriors and would like to see Anger Aug VI upgraded or at least allow for VII for lvl 77+ which would be significantly more powerful and appropriate for content. Considering warriors have historically been both the strongest defense and previously the strongest DPS it sucks to now see them at the bottom of the DPS totem pole without a UW. If the recent changes to anger augs made this worse or better I don't know, but it's sad to see them so worthless. You could argue Anger Augs are for lower tiers, but a.) the VI requires lvl 75 (loping plains), and b.) warriors don't have any other options except equally worthless icestrikes or to go get that UW. I don't think a UW should be required for a toon to have DPS, especially the warrior class (which is both offensive and defensive in nature). If the argument is we should only have one warrior, then so be it, but I find that restrictive and EZ is all about freedom. I personally don't like that the warrior class has become 100% tank and no offense whatsoever without UW - especially considering proposed changes might bring other classes up in terms of mitigation on top of this. If nothing else, a legitimately powerful Anger Aug VII would encourage more main tanks to use 1hs UW. As it is now, everyone and their mother (except fugi) uses 2h because warriors do zero damage with available augs in offhand. This is despite the fact that everyone agrees the 1hs looks cooler. Also, because my MT has to use 2h UW, he can't seem to out-aggro my second warrior (who is using 1hs) if I have anything equipped besides anger augs or icestrikes (eg. no epic / angerbomb) so my 2nd tank can't even be used as a second tank as he can't use his epic click or angerbomb.

3.) My druid is so busy casting beneficial things I cannot make good use of his damage spells (since skin lasts only a few seconds). He also hasn't picked up any dps spells worth using in 8 tiers. Also his epic click is so terrible I don't use it.

4.) SK is also worthless although he's apparently doing 3x the damage of my backup warrior. Personally, I think the DPS of the SK should be on par with or better than the ranger since he doesn't do anything else.

5.) I don't plan on getting a mananeck for any other casters based on this data.



Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: balidet on March 09, 2016, 11:15:54 am
my wizzard fully buffed with mana neck can crit aoe nuke for 29mil the non crits are impressive as well..even in t10 you can see when it goes off... and in t9 its awesome...

I am  thinking of adding another wizzy BUT untill this spell they are meh...so 9 teirs of meh for 1 tier of booya!...fun right?:)


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: warrior5 on March 12, 2016, 12:48:54 am
Updated parse. I updated everyone's AAs, doubled fight time, and upgraded a few augs to bring everyone up to par. Same result basically. Wizard bangs are strong, but DPS is terrible. Backup warrior still stinks. This parse was mostly single target boss kills, but Wizard still has poor DPS.

Update: Forgot to mention wizzy has angryface also.

GEAR   ----   Toon Name    DPS    ----   % of Tot   ----    Time    ----    Hits    ----    Max hit    ----    Avg hit    ----    Total

78 WAR UC2 UWIX   ----   Godtank    5,433,593    ----   37.33%   ----    4,538    ----    19,313    ----    9,922,500    ----    1,276,738    ----    24,657,644,322
77 ROG UC2   ----   Godrogue + pets    1,412,258    ----   9.67%   ----    4,522    ----    13,128    ----    5,502,750    ----    486,458    ----    6,386,232,429
77 MNK UC1   ----   Godbabe + pets    1,097,803    ----   7.52%   ----    4,522    ----    13,389    ----    4,237,750    ----    370,771    ----    4,964,263,340
77 BER UC2 AF   ----   Godzerk + pets    1,078,041    ----   7.38%   ----    4,521    ----    7,398    ----    3,300,594    ----    658,803    ----    4,873,825,105
77 BER UC2 AF   ----   Godzerkette + pets    1,052,999    ----   7.21%   ----    4,521    ----    6,401    ----    3,300,500    ----    743,728    ----    4,760,608,218
77 MNK UC1   ----   Godmonk + pets    1,036,631    ----   7.10%   ----    4,521    ----    12,791    ----    4,237,750    ----    366,398    ----    4,686,609,270
76 RNG   ----   Godnature + pets    755,176    ----   5.16%   ----    4,516    ----    10,414    ----    4,347,750    ----    327,479    ----    3,410,372,687
77 PAL UC2   ----   Godpally + pets    737,932    ----   5.05%   ----    4,520    ----    8,868    ----    3,570,147    ----    376,122    ----    3,335,452,015
77 PAL UC1   ----   Godhottie + pets    526,976    ----   3.60%   ----    4,518    ----    7,804    ----    2,655,311    ----    305,084    ----    2,380,877,510
76 WIZ UC2 MNX AF   ----   Godwizzy + pets    476,185    ----   3.26%   ----    4,523    ----    2,311    ----    11,115,000    ----    931,971    ----    2,153,785,340
77 BRD UC1   ----   Godbard    324,727    ----   2.22%   ----    4,520    ----    4,476    ----    3,697,688    ----    327,919    ----    1,467,765,754
77 ENC   ----   Godchantress    221,411    ----   1.52%   ----    4,520    ----    4,576    ----    655,987    ----    218,701    ----    1,000,779,726
76 SHD   ----   Godshadow + pets    156,126    ----   1.07%   ----    4,522    ----    4,951    ----    2,309,730    ----    142,597    ----    706,002,583
76 WAR   ----   Godwar + pets    146,792    ----   1.01%   ----    4,522    ----    7,144    ----    2,083,052    ----    92,916    ----    663,794,848
77 SHM UC1   ----   Godshammy + pets    95,604    ----   0.65%   ----    4,522    ----    6,574    ----    1,797,833    ----    65,762    ----    432,322,527
77 CLR   ----   Godcleric + pets    16,196    ----   0.11%   ----    4,522    ----    2,569    ----    600,250    ----    28,508    ----    73,238,309
76 MAG   ----   Godmage + pets    7,845    ----   0.05%   ----    4,518    ----    3,232    ----    167,212    ----    10,966    ----    35,442,176
Mage Pet   ----   Garantik    7,276    ----   0.05%   ----    4,518    ----    2,267    ----    27,420    ----    14,500    ----    32,871,988
76 DRU   ----   Godpriest + pets    5,110    ----   0.03%   ----    4,519    ----    2,612    ----    128,625    ----    8,840    ----    23,091,368
   
----   Total    14,547,352    ----   100%   ----    4,540    ----    140,218    ----    11,115,000    ----    471,016    ----    66,044,979,515


Title: Re: Looking for Parses! (1-21-16)
Post by: warrior5 on March 22, 2016, 01:02:56 am
Just did a cleaner one. I didn't realize a couple new toons not only don't have UC but a couple don't have max charms (collected tons of goblin gifts for them but they vanished after xmas event - never got to combine the charms). Regardless, here is the new data. All toons now casting their best spells for T8 and attacking. 1700 seconds, some large pulls some single pulls in T8. All toons are lvl 77 now with exactly the same armor and buffs except main warrior. All augs and pets are listed. Wizzy still way below expectation in DPS considering gear (also fwiw UC1 ENC without MN is worthless):

Damage by   /   % of Tot   /   DPS

78 WAR UWIX UC3 IG     /   50.42%   /    6,501,541
77 ROG UC2 2NSX MOF   /   6.77%   /    912,558
77 BER UC2 FSX+FSIX AF   /   6.48%   /    875,108
77 BER UC2 FSX+FSIX AF   /   6.31%   /    852,614
77 MNK UC1 2NSX MOF   /   4.64%   /    624,994
77 MNK UC1 2NSX MOF   /   4.62%   /    622,447
77 BRD MAX SORC 2GSX MOF   /   4.13%   /    556,069
77 RNG MAX SORC 2NSX MOF   /   4.08%   /    549,168
77 WIZ UC2 MNXI GSTXII AF   /   3.69%   /    498,401
77 PAL UC1 FSX+FSIX MOF      /   2.68%   /    361,774
77 PAL UC2 FSX+FSIX IG    /   2.30%   /    310,552
77 SK MIN SORC GSX+GSIX MOF   /   1.07%   /    144,375
77 WAR MIN SORC GSX+GSIX IG   /   0.70%   /    94,075
77 SHM MAX ORACLE GSX MOF     /   0.64%   /    85,929
77 DRU MAX ORACLE GSTIX IG     /   0.57%   /    77,225
77 MAG MIN SORC GSTX+GSTXI IG    /   0.37%   /    50,090
77 ENC UC1 GSTXII IG   /   0.26%   /    34,590
77 CLR MAX ORACLE ISX IG   /   0.22%   /    29,328

Total      /   100%   /    12,879,626

Key: GS=Goblinstrike, GST=Goblin Stratagem, AF=Angryface Pet, MIN=<11, MAX=>41, MOF=Mistress of Flame Pet, IG=Insane Goblin Pet, MN=Mananeck

DPS Spells:
CLR=Chromastrike III
ENC=Breathless IV
DRU=Harbinger of the Sun IV + Epic
WIZ=HGGII
RNG=Fistful of Arrows III + Epic
MAG=Taelosian Victory II
SK=Shy Crustacean's Soul Eater II + Offensive Epic
SHM=Snake's Kiss III

How is this possible?

Hateborne - 78 Wizard, UCv3, Mana Necklace XI, Buffs: Curious Creation III (Spamming Hateborne's Glacial Gift II)
DMG: 796973422 @ 1,844,846 sdps (1,844,846 dps in 432s) [100%]

Wizard (using Yamakagi's IV) - Curious Creation III, Mana Necklace XI, UCv2, Tserrina Staff : 2.6mil DPS

T9 GODWIZZY UC2 MNXI GSTXII ANGRY FACE, CURIOUS CREATION III SPAMMING HBGGII 498,401 DPS in 1700 secs