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it was too hard to begin with, and now it is even more..the mobs are doing WAY to much damage for what it is. A 3.0 pet can take down one mob not going below 80% fully buffed. Yet tonight the single mobs were taking the pet down to 30-40%hp using the same combat/healing methods.
The point of the zone being hard and needing a raid to kill bosses to grant one the 3.0 epics should not be so hard that a group of veteran players ALL with 3.0 wipe on any boss.
With druid 6k buff on too.
The shit was hitting harder than usual...thats all im saying.

is it just my imagination?

I did not notice any different in the zone.  But then again when I first got there I was only in ldon gear and had my 2.5..  Know I am bit over gear for the zone.  If the trash your talking about is the Noc at the zone in.. They have always been the hardest trash in the zone.  The 2 sets of 3 spawns are a true pain in the butt.

I noticed a differance today when I went in, My bro's warrior was getting hit way harder then normal, idk

We've updated our source code, but nothing with the NPC's have changed directly. I haven't changed their min/max dmg, hp, or ac. So I dunno. Maybe lay down the crack pipe?

Never!

I noticed this also, it just didnt feel right but that was all instances. We have a guild POD,Tacvi,TT,Qvic and a few others. Qvic was hitting way harder and my Charm (oracle, SK) was critting way less. I actually died on TT soloing her. The last time i did TT she never got me below 90 % health.

Something with instances is just not quite right. Other than that they are awsome,

At the time of his post, KLS didn't even submit the AC fixes to SVN, so yeah he's on crack.

What time did you update source, Hunter?

http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=486.0 (http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=486.0)

From 05/25 to 06/16 or 06/17 maybe?

Looking at http://projecteqemu.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/EQEmuServer/changelog.txt (http://projecteqemu.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/EQEmuServer/changelog.txt) the last source code update was 06/16 so we don't have 06/18 thru 06/20 yet.

K, then this guy is just seeing things. :)

Considering that 3-4 people have commented on the same thing, a day after the new instance setup was implemented (awesome job on that btw), is it not theoretically possible that when spawning the instance version of a zone that it does something screwy to mobs stat tables (dmg output, AC HP etc etc)?

I don't claim to know how any of this fancy stuff works, just seems coincidental and that it could be a possibility?

Nope. Same NPCs and everything.

That's interesting... my pet was going down way faster than usual in Qvic.  Pretty sure it's not my imagination. Maybe I was just getting to be too awesome and the server gods decided to humble me.

To all those who are reporting this - is this regular Qvic, or an instanced version?

I know what Secrets & Hunter have said, but it seems very odd that a few people have reported this a day or 2 after instancing was enabled........

I was not instanced at the time. >< 

*BOOM*

(sound of my idea being completely blasted out of the water, lol)

Just to clarify, not trying to complain about the difficulty of the dungeon... just sorta pointing out a valid observation.

Same thing happened with me on my 3.0 mage.  The day before instances went up I agroed a mob while walking to the ramp, didnt know, pet killed it, pet was at 40% with no heals from me.  Yesterday I try the same mob, and I have to heal my pet to keep him up.  Maybe I just was not paying attention the day before or something but hmm...

I was instanced, but IDK, Still did Qvic anyways, just felt like things were way different, never been hit that hard in qvic before so felt like something was wrong.

Every time there is a SVN update you can expect some small issues to arise.
It would really help if people could download a parsing program and parse shit.
When I was really active on traditional servers with raids I parsed every encounter and kept the log files for upwards of a year afterwards.

Will say that normally I can pull like 10 or 15 things by max range bowing and letting it run to me.
Now if I do that I need to start clicking my T2 cleric bp or I die.
Stuff is hitting harder but its not to horrid. Just adjust.

Temptrix, - how about you run me through QVIC?. Eh???  I'll totally be your friend if you do.

Do or do you not have the balls?

Eh?! balls?  ME? mebe!

HAHAH I can see it now, zone in and Dallas is already dead.
click rez stone and start clearing the first two trash and Dallas got killed while zoning...

I kid I kid <3

ya she takes it like a real woman should, laying down.


HAHA

ahh dallas.

Lol!  Soooo true.  Poor gimp pally :(

right after teasing your paladin about how SM was going to gank you it ganked my cleric. was pretty lawl

lol yeah just click your T2 Bp quit crying qvic is easy!!  :P

Yea no shit but tbh since nothing in zone poisons I hit the cleric with enc haste and use word of redemption. Ohhh hello 168k crit heals for group.

bump. ...


 I never really did qvic before this thread here but... I've noticed that sometimes mobs seem to hit really random, like sometimes I can tank them for 4-5 seconds and they do 0 dmg to me, other times it's off the charts... This is trash at zone in.  Yesterday on my ranger with about 22k hp I pulled a mob and it knocked me unconscious in the first round.... from full health!  Luckily I popped back up in time to get a heal (on SoD client HPs tend to bounce around kinda weird) but that's ridiculous.  Trash here should not be doing 20k+ per round.  I looked at the log and it looks like I got hit six times in an instant (sextuple attack??) all for 2800-3600.

DEFINITELY notice spikage in qvic.

Random is random.
Everyone gets a string of bad luck and good luck.
If you have misses on, you will see that they miss quite often, but, every once in a while the old RNG kicks in and wamo, you are dead.

Happens on every mob in the game.
HoH mobs can crit for 84k, mob rolls a lucky streak and you are pretty much dead no matter what.

Are they supposed to hit 6-7 times in 1 round though?  That's what happened.

from normal combat round + riposte, a mob could easily do 6 x hits, depending on how many times you swing with ur main hand weapon and it is riposted ( i say  mainhand cuz most have the aa so that offhand isn't riposted)
also take into account that they can flurry

I guess it could have been riposte, I have the combat set to "abbreviated" I don't think it shows ripostes just "hits for.."

Lol bumping this...

I haven't played here much since August or so but thought I'd give it another whirl...

I took my Paladin to Qvic and managed to solo thru the trash pretty easy, and even killed 2-3 of the bosses..  It was pretty close and with some bad luck I died but wasn't that bad..

THEN I get to "Agnatti the Keeper" I think.  WTF is up with this guy?  I must have tried 10 times (I'm stubborn..) but couldn't do it.

"No prob" I think, I'll just bring my Druid with her regen stick, and heals, and a little extra damage from CG pet...  Whoops guess not, tried this 2-3 more times and still died horribly.

Honestly this is bullshit.  What the hell do you need to tank here?  It's not a matter of healing, most of the time I spend the fights at 100% life..  but with 1 bad round they can hit for 20k+ ??   So WTF you need 30k hps?  More??  Basically my Pally has ALL the best possible gear you could have up to Qvic, without cheating.  He has full LDON armor, all with augs, and his 2.5 epic.  I'm using a 100AC shield also...  He has Oracle charm 25 ffs!!

It's not even a matter of "bring more guys" it doesn't matter how many I bring if they can all get killed by 1 unlucky round of hits...

So basically this zone is down to either wasting a hundred hours of trying and dying and hope you get lucky... Or buying a "run" (AKA cheating).

Qvic is bullshit!  :)

You came back at the wrong time Walk. Dru epic is messed up and proc rates are down all across the board. Was an unintentional change that will get fixed as soon as Hunter gets the chance I'm sure.

/hug
Lets hope tomorrow its better

Messed up how?  I didn't notice any difference in healing, like I said I was at 100% most of the fight... it's more a problem with AC, or just with how hard they hit..

No healing in the world is going to save my 20k hp paladin if the boss can hit for 20k in 1 round..

Only thing I could do at this point is add ROA levels, he's only got Roa #4 (800hp) but I figure you need closer to 30k hp and at 200hp per level that's 50 Roa levels??  All just to get my 3.0?  The hell.... that just doesn't seem right.

Is there some disc I can use maybe?  Not real familiar with paladin discs...  I know warriors get "stonewall" or something disc, but that seems broken too if you REQUIRE a warrior to tank..  this is Qvic here not Tier 12 or whatever you're up to now :)

This was yesterday/day before btw... have not tried it today...

Warriors do have a disc that helps a lot, but the real key to surviving when you're just starting out is to always kill the adds immediately.  At 20k hp you're gonna have some trouble, but if you get low, use your disc that will absorb some damage for a short time.  Just go slow with dps on the boss so you can control how quickly you get the adds.  My first mistake there was to try and burn the boss down and the adds were overwhelming.

Adds weren't really the problem... burning down the boss too fast wasn't either, with just 1 paladin DPS lol...

Like I said I was able to kill 2-3 of the bosses just with the paladin solo... but not Agnatti... something special about that one?

I haven't noticed anything special about the different bosses.  They all seemed about the same difficulty to me.  I suppose some do spawn more of the tougher adds but I never really noticed a pattern.

Qvic is just a painful place.  Even when I got to the point where I could clear it in half an hour I still hated it.

Aganetti is the hardest one out of the 15 in qvic if i remember correctly from back in the day. It's not a outrageous difference, but it's noticable.

Alright, guess I will bring a couple other chars for that bastard and see if I can't slog thru it....  though if my tank goes down it will still be a wipe-er-ooni...

I don't really get the hate for qvic, other than the fact you can't realistically do it with appropriate-geared chars... everyone seems to just pay some UberDude to clear it out for them....  trying to avoid doing that :p

I may log on this weekend, and if i do i'll shoot you a tell and come help out if you'd like me to.

I needed a roa 50 back in the day to not "balthor rage" every time I went into the zone, just every time some idiot wouldnt keep up in the caves and would die or train 15 trash mobs onto us while /yell.
ahh those were the days, almost miss Bofry.

You say the boss was one rounding you, that is an issue, if you got logs showing it please post em. Maybe something happened with all the changes of late and no one really noticed it.
I know that with my hp I dont even look at how hard these hit as its nothing to me, however if I only had 20khp it would matter a lot.

The fact that you have trouble with it with toons in full ldon armor with 2.5s annoys me, but I would probably work through that if it wasn't such a painful place to wipe in.  Clearing all the trash at the beginning when I had to single pull most of it just took forever, and then wiping on a boss right after that just sucked because the entrance would be all respawned by then.  Also, once you're in you kinda have to finish the whole run unless you want to clear again when you come back.  Just a tiring place for me.

In the end my group of toons didn't have much success in there until I got a 3.0 on my pally from a friend running me through and I added a warrior and cleric to my lineup.

I remember doing it with what ended up being Epic Fail and how horrible it was. I remember we failed hard and I had full LDON +2.5 on Balthor and my cleric Sloched.
After several fail runs I ran into a really cool guy that was seeking a chain bp.
At that time Illamour was doing qvic for hours every day and I responded to his ooc for people to come join him. Boxed his cleric for him until we got my cleric a 3.0.
A cleric 3.0 at that time was basically required if you were on tier and wanted to do more then one full clear for tokens.
I was using stonewall on every pull and we had Shylo sicking his mage pet on the adds as they came up and it was fun but frustrating.
Qvic has always been a zone that if you were on tier it was really really really hard to do.
Most people RoA to 35+ before they even finished qvic because it was that hard.
After getting a cleric 3.0 I got my warrior his sword to keep the clerics alive because when add's spawned they would eat one.
It was slow going using two warriors and two clerics and only being able to run two dps through in the group.

By the time we got Illamour that chain bp we managed to 3.0 about 30 characters in <Epic Fail>

Now if I was to do it again I would 3.0 a paladin first then go from there.
In fact with how crappy qvic is for those on tier if people want I will set aside a couple hours a week or every other week and do qvic runs for tokens. With armor drop rate I wont stick around to get people full armor but I'll see if I can get a few people 3.0 that need the help.

That's pretty cool of you to do Balthor.  Good man. 

UPDATE--

I AM F'ING DONE WITH QVIC.

that is all :)

Had no problem killing all the other bosses except Aganutty or Agabuttnugget or whatever.  I guess he's the boss... boss...