EZ Server

Akka / Rent,

Can i get some clarification on something regarding how camps etc work on EZ? It was my understanding that if someone is actively camping a location, in this case Orcs in T10 pub, that another player should generally avoid pulling from that camp.

In this case, i was pulling T10 orcs. I had killed a Zug and continued clearing as repops hit. Maslow decided to come up and pull every remaining mob from the Orc camp, and the images below are the result. If i'm in the wrong, I apologize for stirring up the issue here.

The first action here was a tell to Maslow. I was killing mobs, and had a Zug corpse next to me indicating i was actively playing.

(http://p2computing.com/images/maslow2.jpg)

(http://p2computing.com/images/maslow1.jpg)

FH does not own pub.   You cannot keep orc camp clear by yourself.   10 min respawn on mobs in T10. 


You are a massive bitch.    I can see why Hunter banned you.

There are no camps.. just like live. Only thing frowned upon is kill stealing stuff you are already engaged on.

Right Nate, and I do not and would not KS period.      Cost is 5m for an instance.   FH can pool some of their phat lootz together and buy a guild instance.     Then Psychosis can sit in there AFK while everyone gets him the gearz.


buncha nonsense

Directly from the rules thread:

NO KILL STEALING
Place nice here, and don't kill steal. You can hold a camp if you are not afk. When a mob spawns, you need to engage it, or else you will be considered afk and forfeit the camp. You can not have 1 toon hold the camp while waiting for your group to arrive. If your not ready to engage when the mob spawns, then your not camping it, and forfeit the rights to the camp if another party wants it. If a guild is actively buffing up when a boss spawns, then please give them about 5 minutes to engage, or else they lose the rights to the boss. If a guild spawns a boss thru a turn in quest, then only that guild has rights to the boss. You can't hold 2 or more camps at the same time, so if a group/guild is fighting a boss, then another group/guild is welcome to 'leap frog' and claim the next boss.


PLAY NICE AND DON'T GRIEF
Do not harass players through actions or words. Let them have their mobs and don't spam them. If try to ruin the game for others, then you'll be removed from the game.

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Pretty sure you do the latter on a daily basis, Maslow. You constantly act like an entitled child. From what I can see here, you have no desire to share "Your turf" with anyone. Consistently gloating and berating others in public channels, and probably private tells as well. I realize you may be one of the "top players" here, but you don't see Brunaa, Sond, Denzig, or any of the others with the same "stature" acting like this.

Even as I post this, you are continuing to spew garbage into OOC.

Indirectly states that there are no camps unless you spawn the boss. Read the full 15 pages. If someone pulling pub griefs you to quit then goodbye. Also he didnt pull the whole campe he pulled about 50 mobs to get a quest done. then you started griefing about it and well facilitated the whole thing.

Yep.   You griefed me you triggered Cuck.   "No one likes you Maslow blah blah blah" as seen in your lil ooc post.   You cannot keep Orcs locked down by yourself anway.    Meaning you cannot kill all orcs before respawn.   There was 0 need for this.   Could have just taken a pee break came back and boom all your mobs up and I moved on.   Instead you picked a fight.    No problem, happy to oblige.   

For someone like me who is new to T10 (never played there during its heyday), this unfortunate event will/can help define those unwritten rules for T10.

How camp works, etc. etc.

Though I truly believe this could have been mitigated with a simple private tell and cooler heads.

Lets all play nice!

I agree. If he had said "I just need to finish a quest for Watchyoudie. Can i kill some?" You know for a fact that I, and anyone else would have said it was no problem.

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You do not own the camp period.    FH does not own pub and neither do you.     Take your lil epeen, turn that sumbitch sideways, and shove it straight up your candy ass.     I'm not sure who the hell you think you are, but you do not control me nor do you control this server.    So QQ more.

Very first line of you SS is you flaming maslow in OOC.

My fault for putting the screenshots out of order. The tell came first "I'm hanging at orcs atm bud"

Will fix now

Fixed it for you.

There are no camps.   Get an FH instance and move the heck on.  

I was the only person in the zone, with 11 characters. I purposely bound my crew in Pub because it's still difficult to control the mass pulls at Orcs. If they rez in the zone i'm working on, it's quicker to get them back into the fight.

I am also not responsible for making instances for my guild.

All of this could have been avoided if you learned to show respect, even a small amount. I realize it's not my job to parent you, but it's clear you could use some guidance on social etiquette.

Whatevs man, L2P you lil pleb.     Done with you.

If you can't clear all orcs (you can't) I think Maslow has a point based on the written rules. I often let folks clear the back or front when I'm on another side of orcs in pub - basic courtesy.

He also has a point you're an officer in FH, ask your FH plebs to make you an instance if you can't afford it.

I see your point of view here, but i can keep 3 of the 4 Juggernauts down while triggering Zug. Maslow pulled from where I had already been working whilst i was busy with a trash pull.

My point here is that "any" communication from him other than a snide retort to "make an instance", would have resulted in me saying it was fine to pull mobs. I was the only player in the zone, and he, instead of making an instance himself, decided to create a problem. It's that simple!

Make an instance.

You haven't been around much in the MMO world have ya Otto. Well... welcome to a public instance. There will always be a chance of issues when someone else jumps in. Instead of being a drama queen just make an instance, problem solved.

+1

Not to get mixed up in this pissing match...but the only issue I see here is the spawn mechanics....say Otto was killing a jugg at the same time Maslow was killing a jugg and Zugg spawned or say one or the other was killing an orc shaman or a Stormbringer and Thunderpants spawned who is to say who spawned said named and then you would have an argument over the resulting kill. So how does that work?  Take turns killing named if you share the camp with another? Not picking any side (even though Maslow and I have a love/hate relationship hehehe) just thinking that it is a legit question.

Though I’m not taking sides (both Mas and Otto knows that), this is indeed a valid question.

On Orcs, there are only a handful of specific trash (well, except Basilisk) that can spawn bosses, what about on Sarnak and Gnolls? How will we say, who owns the boss?

make an instance

I'm over it. It's easy enough to avoid and ignore from here on.

If FH is required to get an instance, why don't you have to make one?  What now you own Pub? Why would you even want to mingle with us low life's in pub anyways? 
You know you are going to be running a muck, why not just make an instance and you won't have to worry about any one or anything.  I know you have the PP. 

Maslow, that's not answering the question but just stirring the pot. If you or anyone can answer what I questioned I would appreciate it.  ;)

I try to avoid having to "pay" for an instance there because I am just that cheap.  If orcs are camped I can easily move to gnolls or sarnaks...if those are camped I can easily make a free instance (since I paid 100 bucks for the instance maker years ago) of any other zone to camp essences....or I can log...I have been logging off a lot lately cause just getting burned out.

make an instance

Maslow, that's not answering the question but just stirring the pot. If you or anyone can answer what I questioned I would appreciate it. 

I try to avoid having to "pay" for an instance there because I am just that cheap.  If orcs are camped I can easily move to gnolls or sarnaks...if those are camped I can easily make a free instance (since I paid 100 bucks for the instance maker years ago) of any other zone to camp essences....or I can log...I have been logging off a lot lately cause just getting burned out.

Common courtesy 99% have it, one doesn't.

I think this is the crux of Otto's argument.  Be it bad blood or not.  I am not capable of pulling the entire camp yet, nor can I fully clear in 10 minutes.  Typically someone will come and wash away the stuff I can't kill.  I'm not bothered by it because I'm a turbo scrub that decorates the sands with his corpses.  I can see how it would ruffle feathers when we (typically) see (more often than not) civility and (sometimes) respect between the players.  At the end of all things, there are no camps, but there is kinship between the dwindling number of us.  Be excellent to one another is what I'm getting at.

I appreciate you asking me if I was on Orcs last night, albeit unnecessary.  I'm assuming this happened after I had logged out. 

I couldn’t agree more. Lets all play nice :)


You know I’m cheap, sir.

Fraps on next time.

I have to share something that was emailed to me this morning. It's clear this is not an isolated issue anymore.

This is from Bogtank, who we know has been MIA for a while.

I was in the halloween realm minding my own business, killing hands and willowisps , where Rent had suggested we start.
Maslow zones in, does some killing over near the assasins for about 30 minutes then says in ooc for me to move he is going to pull across the zone
I just politely say /ooc please dont pull across me
he goes into his normal antics about how I am this and I am that, etc etc he cant tell me to create a private instance, there was no such thing.
I was not about to move realms just because he showed up... more than likely he would not be having the luck he wanted in that realm and just zone into the one I went to.
Then he pulls across me, he literally waited until I was in a fight and aoe'ing, and gets me killed.

I play eq for enjoyment during my free time, I am not going to use my limited free time playing where there is any chance of having to run into people that make it un-enjoyable.
There are always going to be some situation where you can not help but be in the same area with a disagreeable, argumentative, name-calling, behind the computer screen bully.
These people have a big chip on their shoulders from having many many issues in real life and they escape to the cyber worlds where because they bought some toys and they can speak their twisted minds with no repercussions or worries about retaliations.

I pity them, but alas I do not have a license in physiology so there is nothing I can do to help them, but to move along in life and let them have their sand box to throw their fits in.

Peace

Either way, this really sucks to read.

From what i read there bogtank is basically saying MAKE AN INSTANCE ... with the event if that did happen he should have said something to akka with there be no private zones.
I told you you wouldnt like the replies here.(it's in the screenshot :P) ... you are going to come across these issues in almost all mmorpgs had it happen in many types. it happens move on get over it. if they grief you by constantly doing then voice a complaint. fraps it etc. this is just a bunch of QQ that had been gone over many of time before each coming out the same ...

This thread is being locked due to tempers flaring, not productive to community.

Thanks all.

Just as a general rule of thumb to folks:

GM's aren't going to get in the middle of drama for a plethora of reasons, this is a player to player exchange

If it starts getting to the point of threats and blatant misconduct - you will be ejected from the server

Our community has generally been fairly amazing over the course of years and I'm thankful to have an appreciative bunch. That's not to say that we don't have whiners, assholes in /ooc and elements that stir the pot

If you have an issue with a player, address it with them directly and ask them how can we make things better, if they refuse to do so, then put them on ignore, tell them to piss off or both.

I'm not about to start silencing people to have their opinions and exchange frustrations, and for my oldies - Hunter would put it the same way

The veteran players on this server - they have an earned mark in this server and community and I would expect that they uphold a general sense of respect to others as we all love this server, let's keep it a home for folks

Akk