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1  General Category / Enchanter / Re: Enchanter ideas that do NOT include reinstating charm! *gasp* on: November 13, 2010, 12:39:35 pm
Sorry I would just like to know  .
Searched the boards but didn't find much unless some (for me) not understandable comments about a bug in a far past .
If there is a plan to get charm in (some day) , then all is well .
If not then it's good to know , I will play an enchanter somewhere else and all is well too .
2  General Category / Updates / Re: Ninja Looting on: November 13, 2010, 12:34:32 pm
2 examples :

- When I was in Dulak I couldn't find a necro helm . So I shout "If somebody sees a necro helm , pst ."
Instead of getting an answer that this would be "ninja looting" , I got a tell "Found helm there and there and if you see BST hands , pst" . Indeed I found BST hands a bit later and sent a tell .
Checking rotting corpses in Dulak seems to be common practice . According to the rule I understand that I and the person who sent me the tell should be banned . Probably almost everybody in Dulak should be banned too .

- In BoT I found my both bracers on rotting copses . Somebody pulled the whole east wing and there were dozens and dozens of rotting corpses . A person came after me and was obviously checking them too . Here again I understand that both the person and me should be banned . It is current to see a shout "Chest so and so rotting there and there ." If somebody goes and loots it he should be banned because he didn't check whether the person shouting was the one who did the kill .

OK a rule is a rule so I will try to respect it . But I will clearly not report if I see anybody checking a pile of rotting corpses . Of couse everytime I see the person who did the kill , I ask if I can loot once the timer is over .
But if I may to make a suggestion , I would restrict the rule to the ninja looting of bosses .
Generalizing it to yard trash rotting around can't be enforced and people will keep checking it . In Dulak and BoT that's obviously common practice .



Example one: You are guilty of receiving stolen property

To qualify that as "stealing" is clearly exagerated .
Are you really serious and do you think that getting a bracer on a corpse that has been lying for 15 minutes with nobody caring is "stealing"? I just checked again in Dulak . Have 3 names of people who were checking corpses . As I said - it is common practice . And it is common practice because everybody knows that nobody gets hurt by it . When I kill something , I have also no problem with people looting "my" mobs once the timer is over . I sincerely think nobody has . So unless it is forbidden , I would like to ask the rationale for there being no exceptions to the rule  and have a civilized discussion about it . Sofar nobody explained how somebody would get "hurt" by the examples I gave in Dulak and BoT .

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Example two: How do you know that person actually did not get permission from the person that killed those mobs to loot?
Because I asked him . He told me that one should always check rotting corpses because some drops w
can take a very long time .

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Trash is in the view of the individual, don't project onto others what you think trash is.

Fair enough . As I said I am a newbie and I have not invented this word . Apparently everybody knows what is trash in Dulak and BoT . People use this term . That's how I learned it . People seem to distinguish between "trash" and "nameds" and everybody seems to understand the difference .

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And this goes to anybody, if you loot corpses long enough without verifying with the person that killed the mob, someday it will cost you. Not everybody will report you, but all it takes is one person having a bad day and the sight of someone sifting through their pile is all they needed to see to put them over the edge.
 

Well that's something that I have never seen yet . Generally people who kill a pile of mobs , check it and run away are clearly not interested . I have yet to see somebody sitting by a pile of corpses watching if somebody else would take  what is useless for him . But I agree what you say may happen .
Imagine that you go to Dulak and report every single person you see checking corpses without asking the killer ...
For me this is just a game , I use common sense , if I can ask the killer I do so , if he's not around and the timer is over I check the corpse if it is not a "named" .
If one day somebody blows a fuse over a group of pixels , ah well ...
3  General Category / Enchanter / Re: Enchanter ideas that do NOT include reinstating charm! *gasp* on: November 13, 2010, 11:42:00 am
I have liked playing enchanter since 99 . Really nice class .
Arrived on EZ server recently and noticed that the class defining spell - the charm , didn't work .
Are there any plans to make it work on this server or is it definitively out ?
Because without charm , enchanters and bards are useless and it would be a pity having only warriors and paladins running around .
4  General Category / Updates / Re: Ninja Looting on: November 12, 2010, 06:18:21 am
I must say that I am mightily surprised .
I can be called a newbie as I only know Dulak and BoT - this is my first post here .
But I am a lawyer and there are 2 principles among others :
"Never establish a law that can't be enforced" and "Never establish a law without stating exceptions where the law goes against common sense ."

2 examples :

- When I was in Dulak I couldn't find a necro helm . So I shout "If somebody sees a necro helm , pst ."
Instead of getting an answer that this would be "ninja looting" , I got a tell "Found helm there and there and if you see BST hands , pst" . Indeed I found BST hands a bit later and sent a tell .
Checking rotting corpses in Dulak seems to be common practice . According to the rule I understand that I and the person who sent me the tell should be banned . Probably almost everybody in Dulak should be banned too .

- In BoT I found my both bracers on rotting copses . Somebody pulled the whole east wing and there were dozens and dozens of rotting corpses . A person came after me and was obviously checking them too . Here again I understand that both the person and me should be banned . It is current to see a shout "Chest so and so rotting there and there ." If somebody goes and loots it he should be banned because he didn't check whether the person shouting was the one who did the kill .

OK a rule is a rule so I will try to respect it . But I will clearly not report if I see anybody checking a pile of rotting corpses . Of couse everytime I see the person who did the kill , I ask if I can loot once the timer is over .
But if I may to make a suggestion , I would restrict the rule to the ninja looting of bosses .
Generalizing it to yard trash rotting around can't be enforced and people will keep checking it . In Dulak and BoT that's obviously common practice .
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