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Should all classes be able to use Anger Augs? Vote for change!

As Lexington had posted in another thread, I world like to see a variety of aug options. Maybe on the special vendors in FG and CG. If it's just anger augs, then that means only dps classes get to use it (let's be honest...is a cleric going to use anger 5s to aoe melée?).

More creative people than me can surely think of some examples, but it would add a whole new level of fun.  Not sure how tough it is to implement, but considering you added an entire quest line and zone (crafters) in like two weeks, it can't be THAT bad, right?

Crafted dmg and proc augs, hrm.

Would require the zone essence that determans how much dmg it does. I'll get a few done this weekend that are all/all. Planning a lot more than just armors that we currently have for recipes.

Suggestions welcome!

Hunter -

When you say give Anger Augs to everyone, does that included both slots (4 and 8) and type (anger IV and anger V) as the they exist today?

I was actually suggesting augs that are purchasable from fg and cg vendors, but yeah...I suppose crafted augs would be a good addition to the crafters guild.

/Sigh I can't believe this is even being considered, what a shitty way to start my Friday.

Is it just me or is this from far left field?

All classes? Like so my druid could be holding agro with melee? hehe.

I guess it wouldn't be too unbalancing for the melee classes. Warriors still tank better than a ranger, so if a ranger uses angerV's for dps they still have to manage agro to stay alive.

One thing's for sure, if AngerV's/IV's could be used by Monks we might have a new champion of DPS. I'd be interested to try that out.

Anger 5 all/all opens up a world of possibilities for ROA, too. I know my monk and bard would love some anger 5s.

This is going to standardize melee overall. Which... I kind of like the idea. Wars will still tank the best but they will no longer be the DPS/AOE powerhouses alone.

I think what people will learn is dps will be dropping quicker if in group situations, you want to give monks/dps the augs but if they're taking away aggro from the WAR this will be more of a challenge.

Honestly, my vote is yes. I want to see what happens/how it goes. Can always take it back right?

But if I had to choose between letting everyone use anger augs, or just CREATING NEW AUGS for different classes, I would choose CREATE NEW AUGS.

I say make them available to the merchant in the FG/CG and have the higher ranks drop in higher tier zones. (Like the anger augs currently do)

The augs don't have to be complex.

How about new weapons crafted all/all h2h or 1hb tradeable leveled up via essence and have dmg + procs to keep up with warrior dps of that tier essence? Hope makes sense, I'm still typing on iPhone, not home yet. 

I'd love to have some AOE damage ability on my pally and monk.  It doesn't have to be completely crazy like a war, but it would definitely help.

I am at work so I did not look over each and every post but I did see something about damage augs instead of just hate augs with a damage component. I really like that idea. I especially would like it if it was something you could build up from BoT on. Maybe as a lvl like the ring and charm. Lvl 1 would drop in BoT and PoFear as a very common drop on bosses, then an upgrade component would drop in Time as a slightly less common drop on any mob. Ldon bosses would be the next stop but I would have it as a pretty common drop as that zone does not need any more traffic as it is. Then as you go up from one custom zone to another your able to upgrade it. As for PoD and PoG I would have the normal upgrade for the farming area with a nice little bump of an upgrade dropping off the T3 bosses, another nice bump off T4 bosses followed by an even greater bump off the 3.5 boss and 4.0 boss. I would make the drops guaranteed off the bp mobs in each of the T zones. Nearly guaranteed off the legs bosses and then scale down from the easier bosses. I would also make it guaranteed off the 3.5 and 4.0 bosses. To help relieve some stress on the lower lvl zones I would also have as a common drop on chests in PoD the v1 and v-upgrades.

I liked your original Idea of craftable augs through the traders guild. I think the new Augs shouldfit whichever slot is currently utilized by that sucky lifetap aug. The augs should be just like the armor in that it requires your creating the first level and working your way up to Aug V. However, it shouldnt cost millions of plat.

I dont like craftable weapons with procs. I would hope all the time i spend getting my epics would be rewarded by actually using them. DD augs for melee should be enough to bring their Dmg up to par.

I also think that casters need a little love. Nukers should get an Aug with % increase to Spell Damage. Healers should get an Aug with % increase to heals. Nothing huge but a little extra push to help out.

I agree that casters do need a bit of loving too. However I think that instead of increasing their healing or damage the cast time should be reduced.

Fantastic Idea - I Agree

Casters will get some love too. Wizards already get a lot of nukes and clickies. I'm thinking about for Wizards to make a long recast time, but super high damage, like 500k dd to keep up with Warriors on boss fights, but for purpose of power leveling, would be useless due to recast time. I'd like to make Wizards better DPS than the standard autoshoot Rangers.

Just got off the phone with Basher about some new concepts, and we're going to make tradeable weapons better than your current Epics with Equal or better DPS to that of a Warrior, but it'll require Epic Books, Essences, Plat Dump, and maybe some other farming in order to create these weapons. It not something that every melee in the game would ever have, but I could see a guild funding a few of their melee's to have this in their raids. These tradeable weapons won't focus too much on stats, and probably not too much on HP either. They are basically DPS weapons that you can trade. These weapons would helpfully help a lot with the T3/T4 PoG mobs that have high HP. They need to be crafted in order of tier too. Will be very expensive, and time consuming. Planning to create them this weekend. Requiring the Epic Books to tier up these weapons will hopefully mean that people didn't do their Epics for nothing already. The plat and time invested will mean most people can't get these anyways. Its more of a guild thing, not a solo earned thing.

Need to look at how to make casters more useful. Such as enchanter and shaman buffs, could be maybe even MORE powerful, yet short durations like 1 or 5 minutes so they have to continue casting the buffs over and over, but due to the extreme haste, or HP buff, etc, would make it worth it having them around. Shamans, Druids, and Necros maybe get some bigger DoTs. Enchanters already have a super tank pet if anyone remembers, just has not much DPS, so its like an alternate version of mez/stun to distract adds, or heck even be main tank if played right. These pets should already be in game and balanced. Main pet classes might get some boost in HP for T1-T4 zones. All the random melee, like monk, rogue, ranger, warrior, paladin, sk will benefit from the new crafted 1hb weapons for DPS. I'm still not bringing back charm, and if I did, would be last thing I do on EZ Server, just too much other stuff to do first. Will attempt to give Epic 3.5's the same clickie as the 4.0's but with lower values (less heal, less damage) but better than 3.0s. Just be happy a 3.5 weapon is being given out, and the whole quest line for 3.5 doesn't yield nothing as a pure stepping stone to the 4.0's. So to sum it up, I'm trying to add stuff to classes this weekend, not nerf anything (if I can help it).

Just got home (cant ya see from my bigger post lol?). I got 1 more night of work, then should be online almost all Saturday/Sunday, possible reboots as always when updating stuff. If characters bug out from database edits, then let me know and I'll do sooner reboots, etc.

I was thinking while reading.

"Hope he didn't have to type all of that on an iPhone"

I dont think making the buff epics more powerful, but shorter duration is the answer people are looking for. Right now they are buffing and logging. That will only make people buff and stay online. It would be cool if you could give them more purpose than just a buff (not much more purpose as their role is support).

What are your thoughts for SHM/ENC being able to slow mobs? Nothing insane as the game content is not designed around the fact that everything should be slowed. Like a 10-15% slow that lasts 1minute. People who want to play Shamans/Enchanters so badly will now have a somewhat desired role.

A better idea would be a short term (maybe one only player only?) buff that might increase DPS....similar to panther line now. Or perhaps a group version similar to panther that, for a shammy, decreases mobs ac, str and attack speed on proc....or for a chanter one that does that and a direct damage group buff for a shammy? And perhaps modify it, if possible, so that the anger proc from a warrior's augs removes the buff from the warrior, leaving it on the rest of the group? This would keep the balance, a bit, I think.

Something that makes these classes DESIRED in groups, not simply as a buff bot.

If you want to make classes useful then let them use the spells they already have.  I know it's a crazy idea, but think about it for a second. 

Imagine giving worthless classes, you know like enchanters, shamans, etc, a SLOW, CHARM, MEZ, STUN, etc.  Oh wait, they already have those  ::)

I like the new ideas hunter, but why new weapons... why not just high end augs?

What about augs that upgrade proportionately to what zone you're in? So say when you're in FG/CG, you can get a Damage 1 aug for free off the vendor. (People are complaining that there needs to be more rewards for FG/CG anyhow...)
Then starting in Qvic, bosses drop aug upgrade pieces.
Damage 1 + Qvic aug upgrade = Damage 2 aug.
Damage 2 + Tacvi aug upgrade = Damage 3 aug...and so on.
Obviously going back and farming for all your chars would be a pain but it'd be worth it eventually atleast.

It's similar to the crafted weapons idea without the huge time/plat sink. This way, it'll be much more accessible to the vast majority of the server and fix DPS classes in a more widespread manner.

I was really hoping for augs I could hunt for and maybe something with a little AOE potential.  Even though I have a toon in the crafter's guild, the cost of crafting items places them out of my reach for a while.  I'd rather try to kill challenging mobs for things I need, not light blues that drop gems or gc/fg items to sell so I can buy them.

Anger aug all/all thumbs up!!!
i could through on my  augiV for my pally/monk for dps for kronos and t3.

I think this is somewhat needed, but i would also like to see proc dmg augs that don't have the built in hate for agro. The problem i see is that the sorcerer charm will be the only charm used on all melee toons until they get ultimate. I think another good idea would be the standardization of Type 4 and type 8 augs. For example all proc dmg augs would be type 4 only (unfortunately warriors could no longer double up until they get the extra type 4 slot). And then all base dmg & stat augs (mossy) would be type 8 only. Just a thought.

I had an idea for rouges
several clicky items that gives a short duration buff depending on witch vearsion of the clicky it could give you extra Direct Damage, Small AOE (by small i mean like 125damage), maybe a small % slow that stacks with normal slow (like bard slow)

I'm sorry, what is this "slow" you speak of?  ;)

Slow and Stun breaks our intended content, especially bosses. If I add that stuff back in, we'll have to go back to our original stuff like 7,500 hp heals.

can do without slows/stuns

Look @ making more all/all or class augs..

Problem with augs is sometimes people claim to have lost their Epic Weapon in the bird bath when adding/removing augs. There is clear warning, to use at your own risk, and no reimbursements, yet some people still try to email me about this.

If I just create an all/all weapon then that might solve that problem.

I may consider both the crafted weapon, and adding some weapon proc augs into PoD and PoG.

Yeah the augs to melee weapons like rogues and such seems like the best easiest way to get their dps up.  Then again what the hell do I know? It just seems like the least time intesive way of bringing them in line.  Once again, thank you very much Hunter for making a place that I can come and escape my real life.

Please please please give us wars with 4.0  new graphic something cooler looking, like a sword or something please please please.

But your walking stick is cool... 4 green balls on the end..  ;D


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I'm guessing all these people that are voting no to augs just like having a buncha worthless melee dps classes.  I see a lot of people supporting the augs with comments but seems to be just as many that don't want to see them given out, but are offering up no explanation why.  Please all you people voting no to this explain why you want all melee classes besides warriors to remain sub-par dps.

I voted no because I would rather see a different solution to the problem.  I'd say most people who voted no feel this way.  Think about it Rick...

I'd vote yes for more personalized augs for the different classes rather than slapping an all/all on the angry nerd augs. 

Well doesn't have to be a slow i was just trying to think of few things that Could be done, still like the DD and (small aoe) but think there should be 3 clickys to give them diverty but not OP.

i agree with this. i voted no as well cause i'd like to see a better solution than just putting all/all on the nerd augs.. that's just a simple fix for something big.. we need to think of a different fix

    Sorry if I came off sounding like a Dick to the folks voting no, that wasn't the point I was trying to make.  Theres nothing wrong at all with voting no, just help offer a solution.  I don't think it will be a permanent solution making the nerds all/all but it will be better than nothing until something better is thought of.   I think if the nerds are made all/all we will start seeing a lot less warriors running around.  People make warriors right now because they pretty much have to to maximize group efficiency.  If nerds are made all/all or at least made available to pally/Sk it will enable people to have a more diverse group make up.  Warriors will still be on top of dps for the simple fact they carry 2 weapons instead of 1 like a pally or SK.  Hell, if the augs are made all/all even if the proc damage is adjusted per class I bet we start seeing more rogues, bards and zerkers.

Dumb question from a GM lol. If you aug a weapon with 2 proc augs, do both augs get independant chance to proc?

Planning new augs, new weapons, spell uPdates, new 3.5 clicks, and maybe new graphics for this weekend. Some stuff may require crafters guild.

Yes they all proc independantly.

I am rather looking forward to seeing what comes from Hunters mind on this...extra augs, 3.5 clicks and new spells are something I have been wishing for for a few weeks now.  Will really change the game and add a lot of fun factor. I'm personally indifferent to the new crafted weapons at this point, but hey...the more content, the merrier. Thanks, Big H!

I play a warrior main. I chose the class because, as on live, its my favorite class.

I'll vote yes to all/all augs when warriors get a 6K lifetap aug or 4K group heal aug :)

Its sad that you think warriors have to get something in order for any class to get anything. Warriors are so op and all other classes are so far behind and all you can think about is what the class you play needs to get cuz it would help you out so much more.... Stop being a child with this mine mine mine crap and grow up

I like the idea of new augs as well as the anger augs all/all. New crafted weapons i dont like i spent alot of time to get my epic and if new weapons are put in i wont use my epics.

I like the idea of Hunter addressing it with us and asking for input period, even with possible changes on the table to align other classes somewhat... is freaking cool.

Thanks again

Looking forward to Anger 5 on my monks.

Is it a total fix?, prolly not .. is it a start? Yes, it's a start in the right direction and anyway it will give you more options period... don't like'em don't use them.

Remember big changes and perfect fixes don't happen overnight..

I agree with this.  It's not that we don't want augs, we just don't want more copy and paste and having every class be basically the same thing.

You don't want every class to be bassically the same however as it stands so far on the server every class is the same a warrior rofl

I've sat here and read this over and over and still don't even know what to say about it. I don't really think that this is the way to go but what do I know. So now we'll have a few people that can afford these weapons to help out the people that cant afford them and oh wait even better the people that can afford them will get even richer because they will then charge the people that cant afford them off the wall prices for their services to get the gear that they need to advance, however this creates global trading all at the same time.

That's what I said  :-\

lol ya I know. funny thing with these new weapons is the warriors just gonna aug the weapons and oh look the warrior with his augs still out dps the dps.

If you want to help the NON-warrior classes DPS to be "on par", (or really should be better) than the warriors, you need to make the updates, whether it be augs, weapons, etc, NOT useable by warriors (hint hint)!!!!!!

Otherwise warriors will just use whatever new items you create and basically we haven't gained anything...

Unless you prevent anger augs from being inserted on these new weapons, then maybe that's a "solution"...

I think it's pretty ridiculous that Warriors are so over powered...

And people say the same thing about pallies. I could give a shit. We've got niches, as it should be. And no, son, I dont want a heal proc. I think it would be a bad idea to give warriors this ability.....just as I believe it would be a poor idea to give pallies and SK the warrior aug.


Rather than just tossing existing class only augs to another class just to satisfy....yeah, some childish whiners, to borrow from you, I think a smarter move would be to amplify those niches....make classes LESS interchangeable, not more so. Dont just slap a bandaid on it to satisfy a few whiney little knight's cases of warrior envy.

And one more thing.....something I learned three decades ago in debate: resorting to hurling insults is the biggest clue that your argument has no merit, or that you arent gifted enough to cite evidence to support it.

To the above poster - Damn skippy +1!