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Can SK's tank end game material?

yeah, basically you wont be doing as much DPS as a warrior, but should have more survivability. lifetap + oracle charm + shield (minor) + hate spells makes you pretty formidable.
just gotta spam the spell on pulls a few seconds and you'll be good as any warrior

Had I known how paladins and SKs are in the game, I would've played an SK.

The self-heals they blast off are just insane, compared to my cheap-ass epic 3.0 proc.

Yeah i love Paladins, but i would rank them 3 in the listing of tanks

I'm pretty new to the game, but I own a 70 warrior and a 70 SK. They both have RoA 100 and epic 3.0.. the SK seems to be doing much more dps single target than the warrior.. I'm not sure this is what you consider end game though.. should I expect more dps from my warrior? It's also packed with best Ldon and some qvic gear.

That sounds like a new guy indeed... noob!

Once warrior has his anger augs he'll be much higher DPS than your SK. also, warriors normally claim all the HP aug components in PoD+ but if you're killing stuff on your own then i guess they go to whoever you want them to.

I was thinking about the tank for my multibox setup, and it seems like maybe the SK is the better pick.  Since he can put up more hate with dots and voice on the pull, and has a snare, it looks like he might be the better pull and forget tank when you have to spend the rest of the fight tabbing to the healers and casters.

Sounds like its just as good as a warrior as far as staying alive goes?  What is everyone else's thoughts on the SK vs the warrior as a multibox tank?

I would say if you are boxing DPS yourself and its not an issue, than SK >Warrior.

They can lifetap proc, with high oracle charm + focus of healing (or an elite Sk with Ultimate Charm) = less healing/ no healing. this comes with the price of DPS though. So if you have the firepower i would say go SK

Do SKs get any form of AE taunt? For boxing I'd imagine that would be fairly important.

I have a 3.0 SK and 3.0 cleric and am rolling a war because the SK can't hold aggro while I'm on the cleric, I love the SK, but he's not optimal for boxing. Cleric gets pwned by boss adds if I switch to heal, ie when I stop spamminf aoe taunt.

kaos, you're saying that warrior auto attack while you box holds more agro than SK? 

Does the warrior AE agro need to be spammed as well?

Yes, and Warrior AoE aggro procs from 3.0

The warrior 3.0 with anger augs is the nuts for AOE taunt. The up side to the warrior is that I can send him in, generate some aggro and pretty much trust his AOE taunt to grab 90% of any adds that spawn. He also gets a pimp disc that makes kicks his survivability through the roof. My current thought is that either the tank has to have an automatic AOE taunt so I can man the cleric or the cleric needs to be automatic heals (which haven't figured out how to do yet).

That said, I would much rather be sitting on the SK than the Cleric, but I can't see how I can do that. A perfect situation would be to be able to cast AOE heal and get back to the SK before the cleric gets aggro, but I'm having trouble making that happen in qvic. I box a 2.5 necro with the 3.0 SK/Cleric combo and the Cleric gets his face ripped off so often it makes it impossible to box. I think the warrior will make my life much easier.

under the Jolt category of spells when right clicking on spell gems (right click, detrimental, jolt) there are 2 spells. an AoE and a single target. they both raise hate by like 125000, making it nearly impossible to lose aggro to your cleric. i never had to worry about it, especially if i spam it.

End game meaning?
I know I see SK's tanking T2 bosses now.
I dont see it in T3 tho

Yeah, I spam the AOE taunt (jolt). Could just be me sucking at boxing tho, lol  ;D

Fact is you can put a warrior out to tank a mob and pretty much forget about him while you manage your other toons. Sure if you want to micro manage your tank then hey, maybe a sk is for you if you like that class. Another fact though is you will suck at the rest of your toons if you are boxing or you will suck at your sk. It is just too much to manage.

As for tanking in T1, give about any class enough hp and they could tank the bosses. My cleric has tanked bosses at times when I was sure I was about to completely wipe. My monk has tanked bosses on regen alone while my warrior gets back in, (rarely but it has happened).

Sk can generate a hell of a lot of hate, especially with their life taps, but they take a lot of micro managing. Single player and you like sk? There you go, that is for you. But if you box, save yourself a headache and make a warrior.

Thanks for the input.  I will certainly go warrior for boxing after reading this.  SK sounds like alot of fun as a main, but I can't afford to micro the tank that much if I'm going to be healing and dpsing too.

Don't forget about your sk though. You can still play it, just times when you box and you need your warrior to stand there and be an autotaunt meat sheild use him. Other times, play the toons you have fun with.

You could always use the SK as a DPS source that you'll have to devote little to no attention to. Granted, its DPS won't be as good as alternatives. But if you already have one geared, then why not use it.

Nah, I have nothing geared or over level 30 yet.  I haven't had too much time to play so I'm mostly just gathering ideas right now so when I commit more time I won't want to reroll down the road.

Justm came across this. What I do with my SK when boxing my Cleric and Ranger is have a macro,
/Cast <Taunt>
/pause 50
/Cast <Taunt>
/pause 50
/Cast <Taunt>

If you have 2 of these set and have one for single target and one for AoE then it gives you a little more time on the other toons. You can spread the pause for such as qvic to give more time on % health of mobs popping but its flexible. I think you can macro ability keys so i guess you could chain this from 1 click for longass fights.

HK1 ends goto HK2 and so on.

Nope, can not do that with hotkeys in game
It was discussed in another thread i believe.

In SWG you could...
In EQ you need third party to do it hehe... and third party is... not recommended.

i'd have another person for my ban thread i guess *shrug*

Do SK"s get Focus of Healing at some point? That would make a large difference....

The spell correct?

Yes, the spell. Do SK's get it, or does Focus of Healing refer to something else?

i havent played an SK here on EZ, i thought they came with FoH, stock

They do not get Focus of Healing

good to know, guess i would use Oracle Charm til you get Ultimate (or Semi-Ultimate if it comes out).

AFAIK with life taps and oracle alone you can get some insane HP back. FoH would be extreme

I have seen people crit tap for the same thing clerics are healing for if i recall correctly.

I crit for up to 112k or close regulars of 56k.

Yeah, no FoH needed there.