EZ Server

I know credits are off right now, but I wanted to bring up an issue with FWP and mass rez:

tl;dr
lower plat cost of re-pops and instances, and restore price of mass rez.

a.) When credits are off, it discourages folks from playing on ez when the realize fwp is basically required and mass rez is a huge time saver. If they can't get them, they get frustrated - just something to consider.

b.) Unless I'm mistaken, it looks like the price of mass rez went up. I own one now, so I'm only speaking on behalf of new players, but I think 100 credits is way too much for mass rez (basically an item everyone needs).

c.) The platinum cost for re-popping and creating zones really needs to come down. Anyone who doesn't have a FWP is probably new to server and doesn't have enough platinum for this - forcing them to get fwp. If donations are off, or if they don't have tons of cash to spend it's basically game over. The Laffer curve applies here as well, if server population is adversely affected by this it hurts the server.

d.) I'm for anything which helps keep server population up. I love the activity when we have 400/500 or more players on. I feel the current fwp/mass rez/ez cred situation is turning off a lot of potential players.

Pretty sure 100 ez was what I paid when I got my mass rez, ages ago. Might be mistaken, but thats what I remember the cost being. As for lowering repop costs....I can see your point but I dont know that I agree with it. If we do something like this then maybe just for something like ToFS; T5 and up should have a healthy repop cost (though a solid argument could be made to lower cost for Anguish, given the 3 day resapwn time. I'd lower either the repop cost of that or lower respawn timer).

Looking at the EZ Credits article on wiki, you can see the historical revisions (I love wikimedia... such a great tool)

EZ Credits article dated Oct 2014 (http://ezserverwiki.com/index.php?title=EZ_Credit&oldid=418) (Mass Res 25 credits) OCTOBER 2014

Current EZ Credit article (http://ezserverwiki.com/EZ_Credit) (Mass Res 100 Credits) NOVEMBER 2015

So sometime between those timeframes I went in and corrected the updated price.

Anyway, I (original Darpey, my RL brother plays Darpey these days) don't play anymore and haven't for... 9 months? something like that. I still love the game though.

Anyway, I have to agree with warrior5 here (just my opinion) that Free Waypoint is essentially required for mid to endgame. I don't remember mass resurrect being that necessary, but things may have changed since I played.

Since donations are down a fair amount, and $100 is a steep price, I would agree that one possible solution would be to reduce price of instances. Especially with donations being down.

Or just tell people to man up and deal with it, since (technically) it is still possible to do anything and everything (albeit slower and less efficiently, and forget about buying essences, UWs, strike augs, etc... because you'll be using that plat for instances)

But... this has been the exact situation in EZServer for the past 2+ years. (FWP is required/very beneficial, donations are off and on, cost $100) and we've been surviving.

It's relatively fine as it is now. You can go up to t7 just on the plat that you make from zones/selling ess/gsoa that you don't want/need and you can be trading for credits the entire way. Donations open up often enough that you can trade for all the credits you need without completely crippling yourself. You just may need to wait a bit before trying to go through t8.

What's the going rate for buying credits for platinum in-game?

I probably wouldn't pay more than a mil each, but I saw someone trying to sell them for 2.5 mil each.

It can be VERY taxing to spawning and repopping the instances for FG/CG to those newcomer, especially those newcomer that start with 6 boxes or more. However they can simply go and farm SLS to make a quick bank. Altho I do agree that the cost of spawn/repop instance for old world and lower tier should be lowered. Maybe cut the price up to T2? Tier 3 and up can keep the same price.

Mass Rez is a real handy and save a lot of time, but I don't see why it should be 100 EZ. Maybe cut it down to 50 EZ (That's $25 on double credit!). It doesn't change anything but save you a lot of time rezzing your army. Doesn't cost you plats either comparing to FWP which can save you million of platinums, which justified the 100 EZ price.

So then it is impractical to buy a FWP with platinum in-game

Yes, but you can farm credits with master essences. It would be slow I grant you, but its possible.

so we have arguments that newbies make to much plat from gsoa and sls and now we have another argument that newbies cant afford instances? I am sure that for different people they are both true but maybe the reality is that with all of the options for plat in game we should just leave this kind of shit alone?)

GSoA is extremely rare and it's like winning the lottery. It's not really fair to bring it into the argument since it's purely luck.

i'v been playing about 2weeks? at this point and i will say the free waypoint  woulda been nice for fg/cg and i did run myself down to about 10k plat total on all toons. i was able to get it done pretty well and farmed sls's with one toon while camping fg/cg. the player base here is nice a guidie spawned me about 4 instance close to the end just so i could finish. and another player offered me 150k so i could make my own. i personally think most new players wont be wanting to dish out 100 bucks at this point (if donations where open) i do think i would be more willing to  buy one (once donations are open) at 50 vs 100 tho as i just hit qvic i dont know if my mind will change more once im farther in tier

Well....perhaps its time to dust off an old idea I gave Hunter a long time ago: temporary versions of some of the bigger items, like rez clicky, free waypoint, etc. Perhaps 10 credits for a months use on free waypoint....maybe the same for rez clicky. You get the idea. Use it for X time then it vanishes.

I Have an idea. ....let's reinvent the wheel!

Heh....sorry, didnt mean as a replacement to what we currently have, but as an alternative....aloows folks to if nothing else "test" the item before they get the full version. Again, just a thought.

That's actually not bad idea, give them a taste of what they can buy in the EZ Store. Making them want to donate to get them.

I have an idea. Let's constantly complain and add nothing productive to this thread or any other thread!

If anyone was going to comment on that I knew it would be you Warrior5.....Thank you for playing ;)

Lol

I am all for this thread, it doesn't seem reasonable mass resseruction should have a 100 dollar value sign. FWP for 100 is understandable but still can't fish out the dollars from my pocket for this. I enjoy this server, it has a kind of competitive side to it with a self progression log on / off w/o get dillied down for RA. Pretty much it just seems you need to donate a minimal of $200 to enjoy this server and im now just leaning away from it. If something was adjusted to give newer players, or players with no extra hard earned cash to get some entertainment then I might just look other places.

Just saying, that's not necessary true. You can still make your way to highest tier without either FWP or Mass Rez, they're just purely convenience for individual's sake.

There are only two items  (http://ezserverwiki.com/EZ_Credit)you "need" (in my opinion)

Call of the Companions (http://ezserverwiki.com/Call_of_the_Companions_(Reward_Item)) (summon group to you) @ 25
-or-
Call of the Warband (http://ezserverwiki.com/Call_of_the_Warband_(Reward_Item)) (summon raid to you) @ 75

AND

Free Waypoint (http://ezserverwiki.com/Free_Waypoint_(Reward_Item)) @ 100

on double credits that would be 63 or 88

This is only my opinion but....NOTHING sold on EZ vendor is necessary to get through the game.  As Darpey said it is for convenience.  Also you don't need the FWP until maybe T6 (saying you need it to farm FG/CG is laughable to me). I do agree that 100 creduts is a little steep for the Mass Rez but once again that is a convenience thing. If a new player is going to quit because they can't buy/afford EZ credits then they will more than likely wash out in T5 anyway.

and with that....hate away  :-*

@Orthanos, Darpey just obviously said you " need " FWP " the mass res i can get away with that is definitely just a convenience item to save time/stress of waiting around. But essentially if you dont got a FWP you're not going to be able to make any UW or Strike augs when ur repops starting ripping your paper apart

His opinion doesn't make it fact. Hence why he's using quotation marks when he use the word "need" because you don't really need it. One hour of your time killing Wisp in Jagged Pine can net you about a million platinum which is plenty to get you start with instance spawning and repopping. You can always watch tv/movie or read or surf internet while waiting for respawn instead. There's no need to rush, but then again it's your way to play. We all got our own way to play with the progression.

And no, you don't need FWP for UW or Strike augs, it certain can save you platinums, but you do not need it.

How are you not going to be able to make any UW or strike augs without a FWP? I didn't get a FWP until I was well into T8 with a UW 5 and Strike augs at level 9. If you're able to clear a zone under the time limit before respawn then most likely you'll have gotten more than enough plat to repop, unless you're in PoStorms but that is only a 30 min respawn. Go read a book, watch some porn, whatever while waiting for respawn.

So I think the argument... that's been going on for years now... is about the meaning of the word "need".

The "anti-need" people think that the "need" people mean that word literally, which they don't

The "need" people think the "anti-need" people are saying it's not useful, which they aren't

We can all agree that it's very beneficial to have, but not literally necessary.

If you want any of these items you can have them without donating....

work for them ... buy ez creditz.....help the server with testing shit and finding bugs.... I have all the toys and I have only donated 100$ once....so stop complaining and get it done.

If everyone does what you said and get everything from other way than donating. Server would be crippled by debt because everyone refused to donate since they have everything or because there are alternate way to get toys without spending real life cash on it.

What a grand idea!

Yes I'm aware that you can get EZ to drop ingame, but it's very rare. Like only one mob in whole world and he rarely drop 2-3? Yes I'm aware that you can buy EZ, however the platinum to EZ ratio is a bit...high, at least too high for me in my opinion.

The point of this thread is to discuss about the price of said items, nothing else.

If everyone worked to sort out bugs and every player donated 100$ over the life of the server it would run just fine.... and would have a lot less bugs... I am sure the dev team would love the help.


svart can drop EZ credits from his reward spawn sometimes... and its 1EZ if you are lucky.


Time is money so if you want to spend 800 hours farming sls to buy all the toys you can do that... or you can spend some $$ when its open and not waste all them hours farming..:) your choice.

Hell, I had UW 9 and was in t8 by the time I got FWP and I had NS 9 going for both bards and my rogue plus a decent mana neck for my mage. I probably could have gotten through t8 without it too, but I didn't want to spend over 100mil and then go farm t6 for a couple days to be able to finish off my t8 gear.

EXactly my point why it is needed, not everyone can play ALL day EVERY day

You aren't on a timer, I don't get why it's needed if you can manage without it.  Playing all day every day is going to net you more rewards than playing 2 hours a day every other day regardless of whether you have FWP or not.  What exactly is your point?

Lmao Dimur.. 2 hrs every other day means i aint getting no where if 2 days ago the plat ijust farmed got me 3 instances, those 3 instances just got me a few essences, what can i do with these essences? hmm.. make strike augs with the 200k plat i have ? but wait i need more gear let me go farm another day or 2 over 3-4 days so i can pop a few more instances noones getting anywhere here

If you think it's needed then go buy one. If you can't afford it then go get a better job, ask mom for cash, slang dope, whatever... Crying about high prices is lame.

The FWP is a convenience item, if you want the convenience of having one then donate either money or help to be able to afford one.  This isn't a sprint, the whole point of playing online games is to kill time you'd rather not spend doing other things...enjoy it for what it is, a free server with free developers working on it on their own time.  If you feel like donating toward their efforts either monetarily or intellectually then by all means do so, if all you want is a place to kill time then have at it.  The only thing I agree with is what GT said regarding the ridiculous pricing of instancing in later tiers...but until you get to T6 or so and decide for yourself whether a convenience item is worth you donating for, one way or another, it's hard to understand what you mean by NEEDING a convenience item.

Im not crying i was just simply asking if we could lower prices of instance all in all retard

This was nowhere near all day everyday...

Why do you feel the need to lower the instance price when so many before you could level and get flagged before you? Do you just suck at this game where the server is already incredibly EZ, sounds like you're the retard.

You talking about years ago before there was a fwp? before there was t7? before there were uws? lololol there are plenty of people on this server with fwp and there are a good hanful of people who share their account with a fwp on it so you guys talking about all these people having no problems ranking up UW and NS8+ augs have had some sort of huge assistance

You talking about years ago before there was a fwp? before there was t7? before there were uws? lololol there are plenty of people on this server with fwp and there are a good hanful of people who share their account with a fwp on it so you guys talking about all these people having no problems ranking up UW and NS8+ augs have had some sort of huge assistance
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I farmed my UW9 as well as most of my progression without FWP and without having someone make/repop my instances (99% of the time anyway). I also did this with plat that I made just from running through the zones and selling the essences. Until I was already in t7 I didn't even have the benefit of selling any GSoA I was lucky enough to get and I never sold rainbow crystals. There is no need to change instance costs whatsoever nor change the price on FWP.
New players now have more access to plat than I did while working my way up.

I keep seeing this talk as if there is no such thing as public zones...like you HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE but to use an instance.........save your plats....use pub instead....this should fix the problem?  ???

"EXactly my point why it is needed, not everyone can play ALL day EVERY day"

These are the kinds of people who really get the benefit of using a FWP....also they arent the ones chewing up public zones either because they prefer to stay in their guild or raid instance.....

yes orthanos you are right im just impatient when sometimes repop is longer then my play time lmao

I promise this won't be a back in my day/uphill both ways/corncobs for ass paper type of conversation.

I played for a few years on this server with 3 toons; Notouchie(SK), Metouchyou(Druid), and Touchmeh(Rogue).  Instances weren't a thing and trying to get casters/fighters guild stuff was awful.  To try and stack the deck, I would bind each of my toons in a place that dropped an item I needed.  Whenever I died derping around/endlessly farming Plane of Fear for xp, I had a chance to check camps and possibly get an item.  This also gave me a side income selling FG/CG items.  It took a long time, but I made it work for what was available to me, which also kept me playing because I had to be clever.

When instances came out, I tried to use them, but they were pretty expensive even for Plane of Time.  I realized this option was a convenience paywall that I haven't quite, for lack of a better word, earned yet.  I didn't have enough DPS to farm a lot of plat quickly, and I didn't play for several hour which would have extended the potential of my farming.  I wasn't bitter or resentful, I understood I haven't progressed far enough on this server to enjoy some of the more "finer things" in life here.  When I finally had enough expendable income to make an instance, I planned my day around it.  I treated this instance as an opportunity, and I also saw it as a sign of progression.  I had enough money to splurge on my very own zone.  It was another hook to keep me playing.

To me, instance costs aren't a punishment on newer players.  Instance costs are a benchmark in your own personal progression and wealth.  This is a luxury mechanic that isn't a requirement to progress.  It will make it go a hell of a lot faster, but it isn't actually game breaking.  The public zone might be occupied, that comes with playing on a server with other players.  You can always try to befriend them and work together, or check another zone like ToFS or a lower tier for essences farming or whatever you want to do.  The server is your oyster, but it's not just for you. If you find yourself so frustrated that you aren't moving fast enough, remind yourself of the game you're playing.  This is EverQuest, the massive multiplayer grindfest nightmare to casual gamers.  I avoid p99 because I don't want to relive the actual soul-crushing grind that EQ offers. 

A final thought.  As I stated in my Getting Started video, the server is pretty friendly, and most of us who own instance items will usually make you an instance if you ask nicely.  Like I said a paragraph ago, if you befriend people, who may also have an instance item, you could easily mooch instances from them.  You could also buy an instance item yourself, although if you're newer to the server I would understand the hesitation of spending that kind of money on a server you might not play long term.  It supports the server and other things.  I am about to buy a third one, because Corflunk is the hide and seek champion of Norrath.  Seriously, fuck that guy.  Do I need 3 to be successful on EZ?  No.  I hardly ever use my second one but it was my decision to invest in the server, and also my convenience when I needed additional instances/didn't feel like logging in toons that have the FWP.  If you don't want to put the plat/cash into it, then you don't have to use it. 

Well said, Noot

Actually I'm talking 6 months ago. I came to this server Sept and I did fine with my group in public. By the time I got to T5 I got invited to a guild. When people weren't using their instances I asked to use their instances. I stayed playing in public zones most of the time all the way until I decided to buy a FWP.

That's a good way of looking at it, Noot. Kudos

excuse me in first moment but i got nearly everything u can have from reward items and i donated atm 0 dollas !!! how ??? ... work for it ... farm Qvic essence of 100 paket and sell them all in once for 20 credits and ... goes really good or do an deal with someone and farm Qvic - Anguish 100 of each essence for around 300 credits and u can get both and got still 100 for each toon Faster Travel !!

The point of this thread got derailed way off. It's all about the cost of couple items (mainly Mass Rez clicky) and the cost of repop/create instance.

i think is a fair price ... look if u really freak out u can get in a week one of the piece ... and i means FWP and Mass Rezz and first of Easy XP maybe count like that 20 Credits per day is possable

I agree that maybe the cost of the mass rezz is a little high but I think what everyone is aiming for here is to get prices cut way down (which I disagree with) I also think that the cost of instances isnt too bad either (granted i have a FWP and it has been awhile since I had to buy an instance) but prices on instances havent gone up since I bought my FWP and back then i used to spend an arm and a leg on Anguish instances (although back then it took a day and a half to two days to clear it).....I liked keeping my hard earned plat so i used that as my excuse to buy a FWP (which I did on a half priced sale (50 EZ credits)...seems that is fair to me...also stop trying to get end game when you havent been playing but a few months....sit back/relax/enjoy the ride.

When you think about it.........we used to spend $10/month or so to play and some of us were paying 2 or 3 games at a time, etc

so, really like a $200 donation to the server isn't all that bad and gives you just about everything you would want to make life here a little more convenient.

Especially if you do that $200 on one of the double credit sales or half priced items, etc. Then you really do get everything

I had to pay those prices, everyone else did too, so shall you. /shrug move along

On this subject i do not agree that FWP // Rez is that big of a deal at all.

I only 3 box personally. So i do know as far as farming goes that means i have to farm in total less then a lot of you generally.

Speaking of though, i do have UW on all my toons.  I am only 73. i am in T5 Abyss.

That also being said, its 250k every time i repop the instance, and i have to do it about once an hour when im farming it. This is the most expensive so far, and im sure it only gets to be more.
To me the amount of plat you gain from clearing a zone relative to the amount of plat it costs to repop a zone is fine. I can understand why it would be bothersome early on when plat funds are low and you are doing cg and fg quest (which i think is a complete stupid waste of time and should be removed from the server) for multiple drops can be a little tiring. I have found that in any zone that i need to re-pop during progression pays for it self and more each and every time.

From Qvic i generally get about 80-120k per clear and it costs 10k to repop
CT around the same
PoStorms around the same
HoH - around 200-400k
Abyss 1mil-2mil

So to me, as much as it may be annoying to do, its not that big of a deal, and worth it.

If there was anything that every play should be given for free is the Group Call of Heroes, it would be massively suitable for the server and every player could find much use out of it. But thats another post.

Also as a side note, each one of my characters have right click res on there gloves so i do not see what the importance of mass rez is. Granted it would be easier to deal with, but i really dont find myself dying very often and when i do die, its just as easy to re enter the instance at the entrance... you can literally pop yourself right back in instantly.

anyhow good luck on your thoughts :d

Yeah Tier glove res clicky is pretty niffy, however once you're dealing with rezzing 12+ characters one by one and re-entering the zone entrance is not option. Then you'll rethink about mass rez clicky.

i found for aybess i would make over 250k but normally 500k to 1mill so add in 6 ns augs per tier and the cost of uw upgrades 10mil per level (mind you i farm all my own stuff and only sell gsoa's) so a fwp would be really nice its not a item you HAVE to have but nice and for people only needed like 5 names and dont wanna clear a zone to get there 250k back. so for me inless i get a gsoa im normally on the poor side.

from what i have seen the people saying this is a need are from people trying to power level right to t10 and for me im enjoying farming each tier while on tier and once donations are open i will be getting a fwp just so i dont have to worry about repop cost or the such.

in the end it comes down to if you think fwp is needed buy it when donations are open. if its cost to much wait for a double credit. if its un needed farm something to sell for pp

as for mass rez. when i die my party of 6 dies so i just gotta run back anyways so i dont worry about it with only 6 toons

I broke 300 mil this weekend... and im only 73.

If you are farming abyss and past, it does not seem like a big deal at all.

If you are talking about augs, that means abyss pays for an aug per clear.

That seems highly reasonable.

Congratulation on being the 1% in your level range. Majority of the newcomers and such like will be struggling with platinum until they reach T5+.

Okay well maybe not much of "struggling", but you get what I'm saying.

i agree. even knowing our 2 different play styles fwp is not a NEED its a want so the price point seems fine with me 100bucks or 50 during a double donation iv honestly spent 60bucks for a game and hated it and never touched again. ez i find fun and worth $100 bucks for a item so i dont have to farm items to sell just farm items to use

all in all akka/hate or whoever is working/running the server has the right to charge whatever they want for a reward item and its the person playing for free that need to figure out if it worth x amount to buy (what this post was original about) tho they may sell more if it was 50. i really dont think people who play it because it free and dont wanna pay anything at all will ever donate period.

and as this isnt a game brecking needed items the price is fine

not sure how someone who is only t3 has 3 UWs and 300mil in bank....so either you have the patience of a god...OR you exploited some loophole in something to make the money....

so explain how you did this please?:)

he sell rainbows crystal essences gsoa.

so with 3 boxes he has looted 30 gsoa give or take at t3.......pluss whatever for the UW costs...see this is whats wrong with the server...If we where in court I would close my case....

I would be impressed if he actually looted 30~ GSoA

But I think you gave it WAAAAAY too much credit.

I think he made the most of plats from rainbow crystals. With amount of rainbow crystals I have in bank, that alone would give me 60+ mil.

If this were a court, you'd be laughed out of the court for jumping to conclusions! :D

8mil per major rainbow
200k-300k per qvic essence
tofs 2/3 essence ????
hoh token (forget price)
other essences gsoa

i listed 3 items i know he has sold.

math still dont work for an extra 300mil in the bank with 3 uws on a t3 group sorry.. not even close

I am not jumping to anything when a 3 boxer has 300 mil in the bank with 3 uws I think we can call it confirmed that WAY to much plat is available to the low end players atm because of the uni poop and gsoa's.....SLS was one thing but 8 or 10 mill+ for drops they can get in the abundance is out of control inflation and BAD for the server:)

This really should be in rants/flames at this point. :-P


-Hate

Agree :P - and I was OP! WRT how anyone could farm so much I will say some folks can do insane grinds at any tier. Not everyone plays the game the same way. I've seen some crazy outlier stuff over the years.