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Title: Allowed or not
Post by: Rakharth on October 30, 2016, 07:36:26 am
So I have been playing here for alongtime and have never used mq2melee I understand some people do and some people don't. I see the benefits of using it but again never have. If I were to Get an Official answer as to if we could or could not would be cool. I would use this just for Backstab if anything cause I forget to hit it alot of times and if im not utilizing a great tool for this I would be sad. Again never seen an official answer on this lots of player answers but none from the bosses.


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Rakharth on October 30, 2016, 07:37:12 am
seeing as server is down and lots are here goodtime to ask..... ;)


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Poker-ecaf on October 30, 2016, 07:45:30 am
MQ2Melee are allowed, just twisting Botting Warpin are really not allowed to use but with MQ2Melee u feel free to use without any trouble

Twisting only allowed on Bards

Botting / Auto Play isnt allow

Warpin no need to explain isnt allow


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Loyal on October 30, 2016, 07:49:09 am
I've been gone for a bit but last i played MQ2Melee was not allowed.


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Chieftan on October 30, 2016, 08:07:48 am
Correct, MQ2MElee isn't allowed
Map, Stick and Twist for bards are the only ones officially okayed
Others are used that don't effect gameplay, auto login,auto group etc

MQ2Melee is not allowed as it automates attacks
YOU have to control all attacks via keyboard bca commands


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Rakharth on October 30, 2016, 08:12:25 am
we will see once Akka makes an official answer other then that all speculation.......


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Blurring on October 30, 2016, 08:15:59 am
NO BOT / AFK FARMING / AFK LOOTING
Do not use any programs to attack npc's for loot or exp, or go afk pet farming. Players caught bot farming or playing to farm, and then AFK to loot a zone's worth of kills will still be considered botters. Addition: This includes using Twist to spam abilities. If you want to use Twist to maintain the hellish combination of spells on your Bard, that's fine. Any bard ability (and class aug click) is fine for twist. Using it on other classes (e.g. cleric, berserker, druid, shaman, etc) is NOT approved.

AMENDMENT #1: I am completely OK with minimal autoattack type setup for casters. Essentially, if you have a VERY minimal and highly basic auto attack method for casters, so they too can compete on a similar level with melee...THIS IS FINE! If you set it up where the casters continually assist, on their own, which frees you up to make a sandwich, mow the yard, or otherwise step away....THIS IS *NOT* OK! I am ok with a puppetmaster approach where a tank can, like a puppetmaster, pull strings to perform a basic action. The puppetmaster does not have the ability to pull one string to make a puppet dance, shake, follow, and perform autonomously...neither shall you. -Hate


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Rakharth on October 30, 2016, 08:23:59 am
yup read all that many times. Just want an official yes or no or yes but only for this.


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Loyal on October 30, 2016, 08:28:23 am
yup read all that many times. Just want an official yes or no or yes but only for this.

Would you like your food chewed up for you too? If you feel like MQ2Melee is still allowable despite the rule above, just search the forums and you will see this isnt the first time this question is asked...


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Ekiir on October 30, 2016, 08:35:41 am
yup read all that many times. Just want an official yes or no or yes but only for this.

Would you like your food chewed up for you too? If you feel like MQ2Melee is still allowable despite the rule above, just search the forums and you will see this isnt the first time this question is asked...

Since you're beeing such a smartass in your reply, I'd like for you to find a single post by any administrator dead or living posting that mq2melee is forbidden - There's plenty of posts of players giving their personal views on mq2mlee, none from administrators.

Ya, chew our food for us plix, save akka the time to reply - kthx


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Rakharth on October 30, 2016, 08:40:53 am
Its all good was just passing the time. But that's what happens when you ask things people get all pissy. No arguing was just curious.


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Loyal on October 30, 2016, 08:45:50 am
Its all good was just passing the time. But that's what happens when you ask things people get all pissy. No arguing was just curious.

I admit my response was a bit dickish, i apologize for that. I was just a bit annoyed because the seasoned player base (i am not even including myself in this) have always understood it isnt allowed based on the rules. There may be one of them that could tell you they talked to admins privately and confirmed, but that wont be enough. However, you asked a question and dismiss the answers given unless they come from an admin....a bit annoying is all.


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Warriorstack on October 30, 2016, 09:17:30 am
What macro do you use for rogue backstab since Mq2melee supposidly isn't allowed?


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Nakemdun on October 30, 2016, 09:20:57 am
What macro do you use for rogue backstab since Mq2melee supposidly isn't allowed?

EZ-PEEZEE ....Make hotkey on rogue with Backstab disc > from main make a hotkey [/bct rogue //keypress #].


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Warriorstack on October 30, 2016, 09:22:36 am
Lol now I feel dumb, thanks will try when the fiancé is not making me carve pumpkins


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Loyal on October 30, 2016, 10:40:13 am
Check out the MQ2 section on the wiki and the Macroquest posts on the forums. You can find lots of collaboration with simple set ups to get things done efficiently.


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Brannyn on October 30, 2016, 02:26:30 pm
Its all good was just passing the time. But that's what happens when you ask things people get all pissy. No arguing was just curious.

I admit my response was a bit dickish, i apologize for that. I was just a bit annoyed because the seasoned player base (i am not even including myself in this) have always understood it isnt allowed based on the rules. There may be one of them that could tell you they talked to admins privately and confirmed, but that wont be enough. However, you asked a question and dismiss the answers given unless they come from an admin....a bit annoying is all.

You were perfectly fine with your response, several people have said both on the forums and in game that it is not allowed. Someone on the forums has even stated why (It automates abilities on melees, basically making them a bot during the fight instead of a box).


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Enforce/Sector on October 30, 2016, 02:30:57 pm
Mqmelee shouldn't be allowed imo. It's literally automating your characters so I don't understand how it could be perceived as okay. For me part of the fun though is also designing complicated macros and refining over time for efficiency. Its fun being a puppet master!! That's just my 2 cents though and everyone will have a different opinion!


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Chunka on October 31, 2016, 07:06:43 am
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MQ2Melee are allowed, just twisting Botting Warpin are really not allowed to use but with MQ2Melee u feel free to use without any trouble

MQ2melee is not allowed. This was per Hunter ages ago, and its been pretty well documented since. MQ2melee and MQ2Cast are most definitely NOT allowed....and reading the rules makes this pretty obvious.


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Rakharth on October 31, 2016, 07:58:58 am
This is why i posted this i read the rules and it tells me not allowed other newer people read it and they say it is. I used this when i first started for like 2 days and a guildy said its not allowed so havent used it since.


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Chunka on October 31, 2016, 08:11:17 am
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You are allowed to use /stick to follow the leader of the group, and your allowed to use it on a mob AFTER your already within melee range of a mob. You are allowed to script a few Bard songs that will cycle through like melody or whatever that was. You are NOT allowed to have the program automatically attack, heal, or search/goto new mob without you having to press a key. You must be at the keyboard, and playing manually. People have been already suspended or banned for spam hailing their pet for buffs, or spam /say to enter guild instance that didn't exist, and were obvious bot with owner afk. Do don't do that stuff either.

This statement from Hunter was made in response to someone going on about MQ2Melee. Its pretty much what Melee does. Its not allowed, unless Akk decides to change that rule. I remember vividly the first time I found out it wasnt allowed.....Hunter read me the riot act after I started referring people to the MQ2 macro help page (listed in the old EZ guide) which recommended using Melee and killthis. I had to edit and amend the guide after.


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Kwai on October 31, 2016, 10:21:14 am
I don't get the big deal about /melee.  I may be naïve, and not see the overt (and illegal) benefit, but Melee doesn't auto attack and you can't bot farm with it.  If something hits you, you still have to be at the keyboard to command your toons to hit back.

You have to push an attack button with each mob for it to function.  All it does .. AFAIK .. is execute /doability attacks ... kicks, punches, taunts etc... AFTER you hit the attack key.

When the vast majority of mobs die in one second (regardless of special skill attacks) I just do not see how this plugin should be a concern?  #NotGameBreaking


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Enforce/Sector on October 31, 2016, 10:55:03 am
Because its still automating your toons and the line for what's okay and isn't has to be drawn somewhere.


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Loyal on October 31, 2016, 12:35:17 pm
I don't get the big deal about /melee.  I may be naïve, and not see the overt (and illegal) benefit, but Melee doesn't auto attack and you can't bot farm with it.  If something hits you, you still have to be at the keyboard to command your toons to hit back.

You have to push an attack button with each mob for it to function.  All it does .. AFAIK .. is execute /doability attacks ... kicks, punches, taunts etc... AFTER you hit the attack key.

When the vast majority of mobs die in one second (regardless of special skill attacks) I just do not see how this plugin should be a concern?  #NotGameBreaking

I agree with you in that it isnt game breaking and essentially is just putting a toe over the line. Instead of pressing one button once per mob i mash my key a billion times for each mob. However, Hunter had to draw a line somewhere and it was very early on in the server. Mobs didnt die in a split second, boss fights took time. You increase the hell out of your DPS if you are casing/hitting abilities and the point is that you are the ones initiating each one of those instances so you cant throw your toons on a high hp boss and walk away to come back to loot 5 minutes later.

Bottom line this is a rule that has been around for years and while the game has changed a bit to make it not as meaningful, the spirit of the rule stands and isnt likely to be overturned.


Title: Re: Allowed or not
Post by: Chunka on October 31, 2016, 05:20:57 pm
Actually the programming inherent in the plugin WILL allow you to do just that with the right command. Sure, you may not do so, but it IS still there and usable with a simple typed command.

Besides...its not needed. ANYTHING you can do with mq2melee THATS LEGAL you can do with simple macro commands that ARE allowed on EZ. MQ2Melee just saves you 30 seconds of typing....once.

Not at all unreasonable to ban it.