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Title: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Hunter on July 25, 2010, 03:42:05 am
Updated LDoN Charm Drops and Combines

Location of drops
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Level 1 - None
Level 2 - Brawlers
Level 3 - Guardians
Level 4 - Oracle
Level 5 - Sorcer
Level 6 - All 4 Charms

Old chances from trash
Level 2-5 = 1/1000
Level 6 = 1/165 for any random charm or 1/660 for specific charm

New chances from trash
Level 2-5 = 1/666
Level 6 = 1/250 for any random charm or 1/1000 for specific charm

So if your working on Ultimate Charm, LDoN 6 with 1/250 is better than other levels at 1/666.

But if you only care about 1 type of charm, like the Guardians, then fighting on level 3 is faster with 1/666 than fighting on level level 6 at 1/1000.

Bosses on all levels are still very low chance to make it not worth farming them just for the charm upgrades.

All charms 1-25 and 26-50 have their combines in the Magic Box now.

For levels 1-25 you'll need the upgrades from LDoN and for 26-50 you'll need to combine the stone from T3/T4 Hohonora zone.

Enjoy!


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: ieawenpo on July 25, 2010, 09:04:06 am
Very nice.
But, it still doesn't address the over camped issues as its still best to hit level 6 and hope for any upgrade.



Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: ieawenpo on July 25, 2010, 09:06:28 am
Is it possible to just add
"Level 6 = 1/250 for any random charm or 1/1000 for specific charm"

To other zones that may not be in use as much anymore?


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Lastrictus on July 25, 2010, 09:56:54 am
I m sure it was not intented as a nerf but that's what it is at the end:

Old chances from trash Level 6 = 1/165 -> best old chance to get an upgrade.
New chances from trash Level 6 = 1/250 -> best new chance to get an upgrade.

anyway, on an overall basis, good work ! :)


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: ieawenpo on July 25, 2010, 10:16:58 am
I m sure it was not intented as a nerf but that's what it is at the end:

Old chances from trash Level 6 = 1/165 -> best old chance to get an upgrade.
New chances from trash Level 6 = 1/250 -> best new chance to get an upgrade.

anyway, on an overall basis, good work ! :)


This is a concern because we still have a hundred people or more looking to get UC's.




Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Gnaughty on July 25, 2010, 11:10:07 am
I know I sound like a huge fag fanboy but damn Hunter this is rockin since yesterday I accepted the drop rates you had.  i think some serious thank yous are in order from alot of people.


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Tuomo on July 25, 2010, 12:01:58 pm
However, it really needs to be that big of a timesink to justify the stats and effects you get on that charm.

This is exactly what everyone needs to get into their heads. Currently, this item is "the" item on this server. It really is a game changer as far as trivializing almost all of the content in this game (for the most part).


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Hunter on July 25, 2010, 12:11:42 pm
The Ultimate Charm is the BEST item in the game, even breaking 80% of the content. Its been intended to be a near impossible grind to get with super stats like 50k hp. I wouldn't expect anymore than 1% of active players to have one. Just to get regular charms rank 26-50, you need to be flagged for the T3/T4 zone to farm gems, which limits how many people can even farm it. In case anyone forgot, here is a screenshot of the stats. Screenshot is old though, cause the Focus was updated to allow the healing focus to work in addition to the damage focus, all-in-one focus effect.

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/slade127/EQ000041-MOD.jpg)


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Padme on July 25, 2010, 12:46:26 pm
Well, thats right, if every player in the server get it easy and fast, this shouldnt be cool ...
I think it need to be a pain to get and actually, people keep wanting to get stuff faster and easier...


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: walk2k on July 25, 2010, 02:31:43 pm
LOL math.  Someone explain this to me..

"Level 6 = 1/250 for any random charm or 1/1000 for specific charm"

But, level 6 drops all 4 charms, what does that last part mean??

Also I'm having a hard time seeing how it's worth it to farm level 2-5 instead of 6 because:

Level 2-5 = 1/666
but
Level 6 = 1/250 for any random charm

So better than 2x chance to drop a charm on level 6, seems like it's better to take your chances there and turn in the charms you don't need (or keep them if you plan to get UC).


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: trendkiller on July 25, 2010, 02:37:15 pm
I agree walk, BUT this is a HUGE leap forward to the fine tuning of this issue. And if it stays this way for a bit...it helps....ALOT.

thanks hunter, great upgrade on this issue!


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Balthor2 on July 25, 2010, 03:01:10 pm
its a good update


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: walk2k on July 25, 2010, 03:12:09 pm
I appreciate the updates I'm just trying to understand the math here...

I definitely think it's a good thing not to have charms and epic pages on the same mobs, I always thought that was weird and created a strange situation where you have uber-T3/T4 geared guys and brand new -trying to get 2.0 players competing for the same mobs..

But the drop rates don't seem like a move in the right direction.  I'm not even talking about getting UC I'll never have that.. just getting 1 or 2 charms past level 10 is a BIG bitch.. I've been doing almost nothing but Ldon for 2-3 hours a day for like 2 weeks now (and pretty bored of it) and I have one level 8 and one level 5..  As far as I can tell the drop rate is now 1/3 less what it was before (1/165 vs 1/250) .. why??

Look I hate to sit here and bitch about a free game but I just hope there's more planned here, and not just for the T3/T4 people.  I hope some day to be doing that stuff maybe, but it won't be any time soon..  I do appreciate the updates don't get me wrong.  On that note is there an ETA to have Brawler's charm working?  8)


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: walk2k on July 25, 2010, 03:56:47 pm
"Level 6 = 1/250 for any random charm or 1/1000 for specific charm"

OH ok I get it now... since there's 4 charms you have 1/250 x 4 or 1/1000 chance for a specific one you want.

So before we had 1/165 x 4 = 1/660 chance for a specific one on LDON6.
NOW we have 1/666 chance (about the same) for a specific one on levels 2-5.

That makes sense, and might spread people out a bit.


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: ieawenpo on July 25, 2010, 08:47:48 pm
"Level 6 = 1/250 for any random charm or 1/1000 for specific charm"

OH ok I get it now... since there's 4 charms you have 1/250 x 4 or 1/1000 chance for a specific one you want.

So before we had 1/165 x 4 = 1/660 chance for a specific one on LDON6.
NOW we have 1/666 chance (about the same) for a specific one on levels 2-5.

That makes sense, and might spread people out a bit.
Yes, but if your goal is ultimate charm, as most is. Then you are still better off in LDON6.


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: walk2k on July 25, 2010, 09:30:31 pm
Ok I tried doing lvl 2 for Brawlers.

Can't remember how much time I spent but... I know I turned on the baseball game at 1:15pm.. maybe 45-60 mins later I started EQ.  Let's say I started at 2:30 pm.  I finished at 7pm.  That's 4.5 hours.

In 4.5 hours I got 1 Brawlers upgrade outright, and about 2200 pts in cards & tokens (bosses on lv 2 apparently still drop 50pt tokens every time and I killed about 15 bosses (there's 3 bosses on level 2, Alucard doesn't drop a page but does drop a 50pt token), plus lots of 10pt tokens and about 30 boots & gloves cards or whatever drops on lv 2...).

So, 2 upgrades in 4.5 hours.. woo!


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: ieawenpo on July 26, 2010, 01:20:02 am
Ok I tried doing lvl 2 for Brawlers.

Can't remember how much time I spent but... I know I turned on the baseball game at 1:15pm.. maybe 45-60 mins later I started EQ.  Let's say I started at 2:30 pm.  I finished at 7pm.  That's 4.5 hours.

In 4.5 hours I got 1 Brawlers upgrade outright, and about 2200 pts in cards & tokens (bosses on lv 2 apparently still drop 50pt tokens every time and I killed about 15 bosses (there's 3 bosses on level 2, Alucard doesn't drop a page but does drop a 50pt token), plus lots of 10pt tokens and about 30 boots & gloves cards or whatever drops on lv 2...).

So, 2 upgrades in 4.5 hours.. woo!
You should have your ultimate charm by 2012


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Hunter on July 26, 2010, 02:01:15 am
2012 is only less than 1 1/2 years away, which isn't too long.


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: greenshag on July 26, 2010, 05:13:14 am
But December 2012 is 2.5 years away.

That's plenty of time for an Ultimate or two, methinks, lol. :P


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Follow Me on July 26, 2010, 11:11:00 am
dunno if this was intended, but I actually had 2 kings chest cards drop on level 3 ldon today =D.  do they have a small drop chance on all levels now?


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Smoka on July 26, 2010, 11:13:23 am
I've gotten king's cards on level 2. They are rare on any level other than 5, but still a chance to drop.


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Gantrathor on July 26, 2010, 11:24:51 am
All armor cards have a small percentage chance to drop on any level 2 - 5.  Each level has a specific type(s) of card that have a higher percentage to drop.  For instance, you fill find that Queen Legs drop most often on level 4, however I've seen them drop on each level except 1 and 6.


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: walk2k on July 26, 2010, 12:04:25 pm
2012 is only less than 1 1/2 years away, which isn't too long.
Great, just in time for the world to end!  8)

Problem with that is, this was level 2, which is faster to get to, much easier to clear (I can pretty much breeze thru it without much effort, bosses included) AND has 3 bosses instead of 2 that drop the 50pt token.  The other levels will take longer just to GET to, and are harder, and only have 2 bosses to drop tokens..

So, more like 2015. :p

Honestly, I'm not working on Ultimate, just trying to get a couple of chars into the 2nd tier (charm v10 or 11). I finally got one there yesterday.. and only 5-6 levels to go on the other.  That's what, only 20-25 more hours oh boy!

At least it's not fg/cg camping in guk, anyway...


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: krujo81 on August 14, 2010, 05:49:45 pm
is this list still right?


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: krujo81 on August 14, 2010, 08:45:36 pm
ok really dunno how Many mobs i killed i know it was a TON but it was two hours and i got 1 guardian charm to drop of corse by witch time i had enough coins and cards to turn in for another upgrade so it was basicly 2 charms in 2hrs but only 1 droped in that time.


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Murrjok on August 14, 2010, 09:11:56 pm
That isnt really that bad then. i been here for nearly 3 months all the time wasnt spent on charm upgrades, the time spent on upgrades was at most 3 hours if that in 1 sitting. Im nearly 25 on all my charms. Spent maybe a full total time in LDon 4-5 days combined for all my charms maybe if that with points combined.

Maybe im just lucky. But it really hasnt been all that bad.


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Hunter on August 15, 2010, 12:58:23 am
For high end zones:

Raid (3+ groups) = Required.
Charms = Not Required.

Any Questions?


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: Balthor2 on August 15, 2010, 11:32:12 am
That isnt really that bad then. i been here for nearly 3 months all the time wasnt spent on charm upgrades, the time spent on upgrades was at most 3 hours if that in 1 sitting. Im nearly 25 on all my charms. Spent maybe a full total time in LDon 4-5 days combined for all my charms maybe if that with points combined.

Maybe im just lucky. But it really hasnt been all that bad.
Oh yea man there have been days where charms rained on me. Like I would pull a 4 hour stint in LDON and walk away with 6-12 charms.
Almost wish I wasnt so lazy in the past when it really was easy and that I took the time to farm more then I did.
I think combined I acquired 90 charms on the old system, across all my guys.
Sure I get frustrated on the days where I go half a day and do not see a charm but eh, its what it is.


Title: Re: LDoN & Charms
Post by: krujo81 on August 15, 2010, 01:31:26 pm
For high end zones:

Raid (3+ groups) = Required.
Charms = Not Required.

Any Questions?

Nope not really ;)

am in a small guild and me the best geared toon there is in the guild, and while am waiting on them to catch up to t1 stuff (witch i can already 1 group) so that i can have them help me with t2... ill be farming charms and ROA's =)