EZ Server

----------------------- OLD RULES-----------------------
READ THIS THREAD FOR THE NEW AND UPDATED RULES
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• No exploiting
• No warping
• No bot / afk farming / afk fighting
• Limit Profanity
• No spamming
• No kill stealing
• Guild Quest camps
• No ninja looting
• No trains in public
• Do not crash zones
• Do not share accounts
• Use common sense
• Play nice and don't grief
• Do not sell

NO EXPLOITING
Do not exploit bugs in the game.

NO WARPING
Our server flags people in our database for warping, so don't do it.

NO BOT / AFK FARMING / AFK LOOTING
Do not use any programs to attack npc's for loot or exp, or go afk pet farming. Players caught bot farming or playing to farm, and then AFK to loot a zone's worth of kills will still be considered botters. Addition: This includes using Twist to spam abilities. If you want to use Twist to maintain the hellish combination of spells on your Bard, that's fine. Any bard ability (and class aug click) is fine for twist. Using it on other classes (e.g. cleric, berserker, druid, shaman, etc) is NOT approved.
[Draca] this includes using automated movements to get from one area to another. You CANNOT automate a path around a zone for purposes of pulling it, or getting from one boss to the next, or simply for the convenience of not having to manually run it, that will be considered automation. Only exception is using more advanced following plugins than simply /follow, automated navigation beyond that is not allowed.


NO BAD WORDS
Offensive words in names or public chat will not be tolerated, such as anything sexual, racist, hateful, etc.

NO SPAMMING
Do not spam or intentionally start massive problems in public chat.

NO KILL STEALING
Place nice here, and don't kill steal. You can hold a camp if you are not afk. When a mob spawns, you need to engage it, or else you will be considered afk and forfeit the camp. You can not have 1 toon hold the camp while waiting for your group to arrive. If your not ready to engage when the mob spawns, then your not camping it, and forfeit the rights to the camp if another party wants it. If a guild is actively buffing up when a boss spawns, then please give them about 5 minutes to engage, or else they lose the rights to the boss. If a guild spawns a boss thru a turn in quest, then only that guild has rights to the boss. You can't hold 2 or more camps at the same time, so if a group/guild is fighting a boss, then another group/guild is welcome to 'leap frog' and claim the next boss.

GUILD QUEST CAMPS
Same as other camps. You can hold it as long as you don't go afk for more than 5 minutes during the time a mob is up. Do not loot corpses you didn't kill, unless the person that killed it expresses to you that you can do so.

NO NINJA LOOTING
Don't loot mobs that don't belong to you unless the person/group that killed it gave you permission.

NO TRAINS
Do not make a train bigger than 15 mobs in a public zone. Do not purposely train anyone in any zone in order to kill them or any other reason.

Halloween Amendment
[Draca] Training someone includes the use of a Scorpion's Spear to zone pull, which results in another player, or player's party wiping. However, in cases where instances are limited (Halloween is the most common cause of conflict), you may zone pull over another player, if you send 2 tells to that player within a 5 minute span, and receive no response. At this point, the player is deemed sufficiently AFK, and forfeits the right to complain about being trained. However, in situations where instances are not limited, and private instances can be created, there is no valid excuse to train another player.

DO NOT CRASH ZONES
Not not try to crash zones.

DO NOT SHARE ACCOUNTS
Players that get banned have their accounts linked together by IP. If you allow someone to use your account and that person breaks the rules, then your account will be linked by IP and banned as well. You have been warned. (This has happened on a large scale twice before, do not let it happen to you!) If your "Bro", roommate, or child uses your account and does something dumb to grief players, then the account will get banned.

USE COMMON SENSE
Just because I haven't listed a rule, doesn't mean you can't get banned for a certain action. Use your head, You know right and wrong.
Don't be an idiot or you'll get banned. For item reimbursements: http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=4231.0 (in a nutshell, if the server failed, I'll fix it. If not, then you're out).

PLAY NICE AND DON'T GRIEF
Do not harass players through actions or words. Let them have their mobs and don't spam them. If try to ruin the game for others, then you'll be removed from the game. [Draca] This is also to include being a troll, and being generally disruptive of the community. You will get a single warning to police yourself.

DO NOT SELL OR MAKE REAL MONEY TRADES (RMT)
Selling accounts or items for actual real money currency is not allowed on EZ Server.  This includes buying, selling, trading, or giving away of any money, items, or accounts. Anyone caught doing this will have the accounts banned and the items deleted. EZ Server is not responsible for any loss or damage incurred by unauthorized, player to player, transactions, or for any other reasons. This includes RMT trades for characters or credits. Those caught trying to sell their characters will have them banned/destroyed.

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AMENDMENT #1: I am completely OK with minimal autoattack type setup for casters. Essentially, if you have a VERY minimal and highly basic auto attack method for casters, so they too can compete on a similar level with melee...THIS IS FINE! If you set it up where the casters continually assist, on their own, which frees you up to make a sandwich, mow the yard, or otherwise step away....THIS IS *NOT* OK! I am ok with a puppetmaster approach where a tank can, like a puppetmaster, pull strings to perform a basic action. The puppetmaster does not have the ability to pull one string to make a puppet dance, shake, follow, and perform autonomously...neither shall you. -Hate

Clarification of this point:
[Draca] Being as vague wording results in confusion, I want to clarify my understanding of this. Minimal auto attack is to mean at most a 4 spell rotation, that requires a key press activation, whether directly, or through a /bca /bct command, in order to assist and attack the controlling characters target. This doesn't include automatically retargeting NPC's and attacking, only the spell rotation can be automated. This also doesn't include using auto-casting when standing around as a way to level skills, or for any other reason.

AMENDMENT #2:
General Guidelines for instances and the use of zone pulls:
 • Minimum of 6 man groups in each zone being zone pulled.
 • Stagger zone pulls amongst your boxes by at least 30 seconds.

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OTHER NOTES
Players that break the rules might get deleveled to level 1, suspended, banned, or have all his/her accounts banned.

Users police themselves with FRAPS since Akkadius and Hateborne cannot be online 100% of the time. You can find a copy of FRAPS very easy on the internet. Be sure to get your easy to use copy of FRAPS, and keep the hotkey ready to record people. If your going to down an important boss and feel that a player may grief you, then record the fight. I know videos sizes are huge. If the boss event goes without problems, then just delete that 500 meg file that was created to record it. Users police themselves on here. Screenshots are nice, but hard to prove that someone traveled with a train since screenshots are well, static.

On the subject of macros and when/if they cross the line: If you are completing entire fights or clearing wings of a zone with a few clicks/presses, that's too much. If you can start your characters attacking and then go make a sandwich, that's too much. If pressing a few buttons will start numerous chained 1 action macros (daisy-chaining), it is still too much. If you hit 2 buttons to set your tank and melee characters into autoattack mode, that's fine as there is nothing special you are doing or nothing abusive. If you want to bot farm, go to Runescape or any other f2p MMORPG. If you want to play, kick back and have a good time.

Lastly, these rules are subject to change. Please check them frequently as ignorance of the rules will not prevent you from getting banned. We try to keep people posted as these change, but it doesn't always happen.

Thanks for Hunter delivery the rules =D

btw got a few ks questions just want to clarify
Trying to KS but failed still count as KS right?
and also
someone is camping, but afk ( eg: boxing and using other char check other spwan / facebook / toliet etc) and i attacked the mob first, mean i have the right to have the mob, no matter how many hours he have been sitting here right?
and
what about thous people afk but sitting right on the boss spwan? ( boss auto attack the him since he is sitting next to boss )
 

If you try to KS and fail, hrm. How about IRL? If you try to murder someone and fail, will you go to jail? So yeah, I wouldn't do it.

You can go afk while camping for a boss but need to engage the boss within 5 minutes of it spawning. If the boss has been up for 5 minutes, and the person is not attacking it yet, then they forfeit the camp and anyone can have it.

A boss is attacking a player that is afk, then that doesn't count as holding a camp.

If someone is breaking the rules, and ruining your enjoyment, then please make a fraps video of it that clearly shows what is going on, and I will ban them.

thank you for answering =D
     
so the definition of afk is 5 minutes =) got that in my note

Its good to have rules in writing.. some people needs that.  Some people needs to be told what common sense is :)

Good job!

Are all macros included in the bot rule, or are at keyboard macros ok?

If I understand what hunter is saying you can not use a 3rd party program to automate any action. To me that means that I can make macros using the macro system already in everquest, (/pause 1.5, /cast 1 etc.) but using MQ2 or any other 3rd party program to make macros would be a violation of rules.

Xiggie

actions built into the actual game/ things the client allows to happen inately are ok, obviously.

/cast 8
/pause 60
/caste 8

is ok

About "Ninja Looting"....

Does this apply if the whole area of a zone is dead and there is no one around or they have moved on to a different part of the zone?

For example...
I have walked into Dulak and seen mass dead bodies all over and no one is around or at that point they have moved on to the ships already. I have even called out about it and have received no responses.

Are these considered abandoned? Or do we still need to let them rot?

In Dulak for instance... I looted everything that was on the ground unless people were there.

Named ones, I always asked when there was people around.
If noone is there... hell ill loot if i need. Nobody is there anyways so its "abandonned" i guess

Maybe I wasnt supposed to but you know what, if no one is there, too bad.  If someone complains... how the hell can he prove to me he did the kill in the first place anyways?

No one = I loot
People there = I ask

how many times i ran into corpses in LDON to find Credits on them lol... hell I am alone and its rotting... guess what.. its now mine!
Plain and simple  ;D

Lol i do the same.

I think this is more geared towards..
There are 2 groups, one group gets the kill and there is a drop for someone in second group. Dont sit there spamming right click to steal the loot from person who legit earned/ helped kill the mob.

Alright ... good.

I just didn't want to be accused of Ninja Looting over that.  I assumed that was the case but wanted to make sure anyway by asking here.

Thanks all.

Also looting the trash mobs is part of cleaning up lol... I mean how would it look if you get people over and there gazillions of bodies on the floor... not to mention that by looting them you get cash + gems + other usefull stuff... I dont know about you but with bunch of corpses its hard to click on mobs or even loot your own when you kill it sometimes...

I always shout BP in chat too if any laying around... I mean come on :)

Well after A LOT of time in Dulak finding the same 3 monk pieces, I finally picked up a bp, arms and feet from those abandoned corpses.

I was stunned and happy at the same time.

Dulak was the easiest to equip my toons with just because of corpses laying around... I mean I get my warrior to Dulak the first time at lvl 30... lol The first 5 mobs I looted I got BP, Legs and a bracer....

LOL! Dang!  i am sooo NOT that lucky!

I don't know how long it took me to just get the headband.  I kept finding bracers and even those were rare at the time.

The ninjalooting rules should be clarified also. Especially in cases where players are nonstop pulling mobs and are not looking like they would loot the corpses or are not reacting on /ooc or /tells (I do not count /say because it can get missed to easy) when asking for the loot. Something similar like the boss camp rules (Engage in 5 min after pop up or losing the right on that boss) would be neat. Ex: Loot becoming free for all after 5 min or so. 5 min should be enough to get the loot for someone outside the group. And if it is possible to adjust the build in loot block timer as well. Many people don't know that they can /con a corpse also to get the decay timer. And that the corpses stay 30 min in the game if not looted at all.

no.

I'm sorry but this is just crap.  How about instead of changing rules to enable vulturism people make friends or characters and focus on killing shit for themselves.

I rarely find anyone who is completely unavailable to communicate with who wasn't just standing in a corner in Nexus.  There are plenty of people who advertise rots and allow people to loot them when asked.

The rules are pretty straightforward don't take stuff you didn't kill without explicit permission. The only exception I can think of is there is no one around so the kill was obviously abandoned.

I don't think you're looking for a clarification.  The rule is extremely clear.  Do not loot any corpse you did not kill without permission from the person/group that killed it.  That's about as straightforward as it gets.

What you want is a rule change that sets a specfic time limit at which point it becomes ok to loot a corpse that you did not kill.  I don't advocate such a change myself.  I'm fine with the idea that if a group wants to let something rot it's their right to do so.  The stuff will drop again.

Technically, the rules don't even allow for looting abandoned corpses, though I think most of the community doesn't get too bent out of shape about that.  I know that if I leave a corpse behind with stuff on it I figure someone will come along and check it.  Most folks who don't want the stuff looted would simply destroy the corpse before moving on.

I'm agreeing with this also. But there are still people around who not even respond to tells even if they are playing. For me when someone is not replying then he is assumed not to be there. And nobody can complain that he missed the tell because it is possible to make separate tell windows (should be put in the beginners guide to stop complains in that direction). And this counts not even on the loot thing. This counts even by attempting to find a group or help! When someone can not reply a tell in about 5 min or so then he shows no interest on other players or is probably botting. And for AFKs is there a nice command. Even in a fight is possible to send a short tell "mom" or "wait".

The rule should clarify also what is with abandonned corpses.

IMO if you see a person or group near a killed mob, you send a tell and get no response, then leave the corpse alone.   You have not been given permission.  They need not reply if they don't want to (rude, I know, but there are people like that).

If there is no-one by the body, and 3-4 mins has gone by, then I would consider it abandoned....but that is just my viewpoint.  Others may think a different timer is appropriate.

I don't think you can put the burden on someone else to keep their items from being taken.

The problem with tells in combat is that if a person is playing multiple toons they still might never see a tell to one. I know for instance most people send tells to my war Thyl because he pulls mobs. The truth is though once I get him situated I'm on him the least.  I'm switching between cleric and sometimes mulitple dps so I don't always see tells people send to one specific toon. Especially if things like OOC or emotes have rolled the window up.  Alot of times I actually do hit r on my toons after a fight if someone was standing around to see if they said something.

There are several situations were a loot might not be grabbed in a certain amount of time. IE a client crashed or you are giving loot to someone not in the immediate area but asked you directly for it to be reserved.

If you can't get in touch with people still around the corpse then you have to leave it be.  You just didn't get anything for free and nothing was owed to you.  There are too many people running around who feel entitled to loot they did nothing for.

90% of the time, i will literally loot everything from corpses. I am just like that. I hate corpses around me, and always wonder "what am i missing if i leave all these bodies here?". So i'll waste time looting gems and what not. If i have gear i wont/cant use i'll shout in zone what is rotting.

If im just having an off day and i dont shout or loot stuff, just killing out of boredom, and i dont move from where i am "camped" i better get a tell or say or shout or something.... just what you should do. I have absolutely no problem with people looting stuff if they ask and i have no intention of even checking for stuff.

no asking, just looting, and ninja vanishing isnt cool. main point of the whole thread, and everyone can agree

It seems to me, if the owner of the server wants a 5 minute rule he could just hard code that into the corpse timer. Currently it is 2.5 minutes, just change it if it's an issue.

My opinion is, things are just fine as they are. If I want to run an alt from across the server to loot something, I just keep the loot window open so nobody could steel the loot even after the timer is up. There will of course be issues with getting adds, so this does not solve everything.

Wherever humans are concerned, you will find nice ones and not nice ones. Constantly increasing rules on all of them only increases the numbers and creativity of the not nice ones. It is that element of unpredictability that makes the nice people seem so nice.

my 2¢

IMO there is way too much QQ about this issue.  These are the hardcoded rules of the server, not the unwritten "rules" of the server.  The above poster said it well when he said that if Hunter wanted to change this, he could hardcode a longer corpse timer.

At the same time there is a clear difference between grieving and looting rots.  Looting rots does not hurt anyone, as I am sure that everyone has looted a rotting piece at one point in their career on EZ without asking for permission.  If someone is running around killing mobs and obviously not concerned about the loot, ie. runs off without looting, or loots and then runs off, then after the corpse timer is up it is fair game IMO.

These are the rules of the server, and if you don't like it, move to Live or another Emu server.  Stop the QQ. 

The rules of the server are clearly written down:
http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=8.0

The timer is something held over from live code. Even if the code changed it wouldn't resolve the issue if someone who was intended to have an item was outside of the group that killed the mob or in the group and died during the fight.

The rules of the server have been posted, they clearly state NO NINJA LOOTING. Ninja looting is looting without permission from the person that killed the mob. If you loot someone else's mob even if the timer has expired you are Ninja looting and may be banned if they turn you in. In several high end zones Hunter actually logs who kills a mob and who loots a mob for this actual purpose so if a complaint is filed he can see who looted what and take appropriate action including suspending/deleveling/banning an account. You are correct enough with the QQ, just don't loot something without getting actual permission to do so, it's really that simple. If you can't live with those rules as they are the server rules, move to another server. Hunter set the rule, it is binding, live with it.

Official rules...

• No exploiting
• No warping
• No bot / afk farming
• No bad words
• No spamming
• No kill stealing
• No hording Tiki's
• No ninja looting
• No trains
• Do not crash zones
• Do not share accounts
• Use common sense
• Play nice and don't grief

The description...

NO NINJA LOOTING
Don't loot mobs that don't belong to you unless the person/group that killed it gave you permission.

I think its clear enough and doesnt require any debate!

Oh thanks Lodar, when I originally read the rules my eyes must have skipped directly from 'No hording Tiki's' to 'No Trains', without your reiteration I would remain clueless.

Look, all Im saying is that "rules" are interpreted differently by different people.  One "official rule" is 'No bad words'.  I am fairly certain many people use bad words in game and on the forums with no repercussion or QQ.  Another "rule" is 'Use common sense'.  I have seen people do some things that clearly lack a whole lot of sense, but it is relative to that person.

The same could be said for 'No ninja looting'.  I completely agree that high end raid mobs should not be ninjalooted while it is obvious that the group that killed the mob has intent to loot it.  However, if someone kills a mob and camps out to an alt and runs it over to loot, and by the time they get there, someone else has looted the drop, that is not 'ninjalooting' in my opinion.  If there is 10 minutes left on the corpse timer and someone loots the items with noone else around with intent to loot, that is not 'ninjalooting' in my opinion.

This is a game that people play to have fun because its 'EZ'.  If you dont want to deal with folks that are looking to advance 'EZily', then there are other servers to play on is all I'm saying.  In certain circumstances ninjalooting is not acceptable and should be punishable in higher end content, but in many of the cases people are complaining about...grow up.  Right, wrong or indifferent, just my opinion.

However, let me state for the record that I do not participate or condone real ninjalooting. But I don't condemn some of the b.s. some people are trying to pass as ninja looting becasue they left the mob unattended for 15 minutes and expect their loot to be there when they got back.  I primarily play with a group of my real life friends, and we kill for our loot and progression.

I don't think anyone is complaining about some corpse they left unatteneded half way across the zone getting looted. The thing that is pissing people off is random people walking up to coprses right where their group is and looting items as soon as the body becomes available without asking. It's rude, it's annoying, and it breaks a clear cut rule that no one able to play this game should have trouble interpreting.

Foul language is completely seperate issue and the enforcement of rules pertaining to it's use should have no bearing on what happens with ninjalooting.  Both of these things tie in with common sense. If you are in guild chat, talking with friends, or in rants forum cursing is probably fine. In OOC it's not. If no one is around you can probalby loot a corpse with 10 minutes left on it. If the corpse is right by a group killing in that spot, just ask.

Yes I agree the QQ is certainly getting old but so is people not comprehending elementary instructions.

And for all you know they could have gone link dead and be trying to get back online to get that piece of loot. The clear and simple rule is you don't loot what you don't kill unless you get permission from the people that did, PERIOD. No exceptions, no excuses, no QQ, no bullshit. It's really that simple. If you do loot a mob that you didn't kill without permission and the person that killed it complains then you should be banned for ninja looting.

I couldn't disagree more.  In relatively trivial zones such as LDoN or Qvic in which you can effectively solo/box your way to loot, if you go LD and are gone for an extended period of time, you can not reasonably expect that loot to still be there on this server.  Maybe on another server, but not this one.  Now that is using common sense.  How would someone know that person went LD and didn't just leave the loot on the corpse to rot?  Lets say, for argument's sake, he did go LD, and there was nobody else in the zone.  You want to ban a person for doing something completely within the hardcoded rules of the game?  For something as innocent as looting a piece of loot that was about to rot on a corpse in Qvic?  That is rediculous.

And in response to Thyl-
I agree that the people who are complaining about people walking up to corpses with groups around them have legitimate complaints.  But as you can see by Crab's post, people are not just complaining about that.

Part of what makes the EZ server 'EZ' is that corpes open up to everyone after 2.5 minutes, and that loot drops like candy.  If you leave a corpse unattended for longer than that, then you can't get upset if someone loots the corpse.  Well you can, but you will sound like a child.  If you are standing over a corpse then that is a different ball game.

The key here is Hunter has already set the rule and it is clear, no ninja looting, which he has defined as looting without permission. So you can argue any way you want, but if you do loot without permission you can be banned, that's all there is to it. So if you disagree with Hunter who owns the server, I suggest you play elsewhere since his server = his rules and that rule has been made very clear.

So clear that we have endless QQ.  

Not everybody reads the forums.  /gasp

If this was such a major issue for Hunter then wouldn't you see more people banned or even suspended?  And I think that if it were a real issue for Hunter, he would change the corpse timer to something along the lines of Live.

What it comes down to is we interpret the "rules" differently.  Back to the case where someone were to go LD and the "ninjalooter" was the only person left in the zone.  How would that "ninjalooter" know who to send a tell to and ask permission to loot the rotting corpses?  You're telling me that person should not be allowed to loot a mob on the ground that is about to rot if there is absolutely nobody else in the zone?  That is rediculous.

Lets agree to disagree.

/QQ on

We can agree to disagree all you like, but I can assure you that people have been banned/suspended for it in the past, and it will happen again. Hunter does not take it lightly, in fact he added specific code to higher end zone so it logs who spawned/killed/looted a mob just so he could ban people for looting when it happens.

I will be amused if you decide to loot something and end up getting banned for it which can and will happen if you think you can freely loot without permission after 2.5 minutes. This has been covered ad nauseam over multiple ez forums (at least 3) and clearly spelled out. The older players that have been playing for months/years are trying to tell you what the server rules are and you are clearly being obtuse about it. Once again according to Hunter the owner of the server you may not loot a corpse you didn't kill without permission. It's not a discussion item, if you do so and are complained about you may be banned, that's a fact not a discussion item.

If someone goes LD unknowingly to me and leaves an item on a corpse that I loot, and there is no one else in the zone, I doubt I will get banned.  His name is Hunter, not Hitler.

But if I do, meh, so be it, Id apologize for the misunderstanding, and go to another server.  Its not the end of the world, its just a game.

Glad to hear it, look forward to you joining another server where you may find a better grasp of the rules available to you. You would have 0 excuse for looting now that it has been made clear to you by multiple people.

The rule says don't loot a corpse that isn't yours without permission. There is no other interpretation. If you loot a corpse in a zone that isn't yours it is against the rules, but there is also the fact that no one is in the zone so who would know right? There isn't any what ifs or blah blah blah. It's stated CLEARLY in the rules.

If you still fail to understand at this point what no ninja looting means then there really isn't anything I can say to make it more clear. I'm telling you it has already been defined as looting a corpse without permission that you didn't kill. Multiple people have even told you that, it can't be made more clear. If you loot a corpse you didn't kill without express permission that is ninja looting. Should the person that did kill it then file a complaint you may find yourself deleveled/suspended/banned and rightfully so.

Sorry Eliseus that wasn't aimed at you, just to be clear  :)

I've never seen a person get banned for looting a corpse once the timer ran out where others are able to loot it.

Just because a couple of flamers/ranters say it, doesn't make it true.    We will see if I get banned.  I know I am not a ninjalooter, and would never intentionally take advantage of someone else's work.  But it doesn't mean I wont loot corpses that are rotting that nobody has intentions of looting.

No one said you won't get banned, but you can because it is against the rules to loot a corpse without permission and someone catching you and reporting you could get you banned. Some of us may be a "flamer/ranter" but atleast we can understand the rules. Other other then that GL :)

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That's perfectly ok, the only way to know if someone has intentions of looting though is to ask them. As long as you ask and get permission you can loot away, but if you don't ask and get told it is ok, then how do you know they have no intentions of looting them?

By using common sense?  Another one of the "rules".

Sure but if you are wrong in your "common sense" assessment you risk being banned. Hence why it is better not to assume anything.

Thats your opinion man, Im not saying you're wrong or that I am right.  I am just saying that these rules are not as clear as you think they are, and as long as people play with respect for others, I dont think everybody should be overreacting like this, "OMG I DESTROY ALL THE LOOT I DONT WANT B/C I H8 NINJAS!!"

The key is to just play with respect, and if a mistake does happen and someone's loot does get taken, just work it out like mature adults.  If someone got LD'd and I accidently ninja'd their loot and they came back in and said wtf, I would undoubtedly apologize and offer my assistance to help them kill the mob again.

I think your argument that no ninja looting isn't clear is ridiculous, it has been defined many times by the gm. Your failure to recognize that is nothing more than stubbornness, it isn't an opinion item if the gm has defined it, it's simply a rule. You can risk your toons getting banned however you like, but you certainly can't hide behind no ninja looting isn't clear enough for you when it happens.

This is the exact quote out of the rules - word for word out of the gm's mouth, how can it be any clearer?

"NO NINJA LOOTING
Don't loot mobs that don't belong to you unless the person/group that killed it gave you permission."

What part of "Don't loot mobs that don't belong to you unless the peron/group that killed it gave you permission" seems to be unclear, or allows you to loot it when the corpse timer unlocks?

People are stretching the rules again, and soon I might have to mass ban people to set examples to people about breaking rules. Its not too hard to understand. If you didn't kill it, you don't got rights to it. Expired timer does not give you rights to loot.

You can and will be banned for Ninja Looting.

If you don't want to get banned for looting a corpse after the timer expired, then you'll need to protect yourself with a screenshot of the person that killed it giving permission to loot it. Make sure the screenshot clearly shows the person that killed it is giving you permission, which mob it is, and the date/time it happened. Otherwise, you could get banned for looting a mob you didn't kill.

I concede.

I guess I just don't understand why the corpse timer is like this if people have to ask permission to loot rotting trash mobs.  But you're the boss.

Dude lrn2EQ before you bitch.

There is an infinite plethora of reasons why a corpse wouldn't have been looted prior to the corpse lock timer going up (considering it's such an insanely short amount of time.) For example maybe the group is dividing loot? Maybe someone died and has to run back? I could go on an on. The timer is there so if a group bugs and a person that's supposed to get the loot can't loot it he/she doesn't have to wait a half hour to get it, or so that alts or people with PERMISSION can access it for the same reason.

The only time you should EVER loot a corpse that you didn't kill is if:
A. You were supposed to.
B. You asked and they said yes. NOT "you asked and they didn't reply after the first 2 seconds"
C. There is NOBODY around and you wait a decent amount of time to ensure they aren't coming back (if you know who killed it ask directly to shorten the time)
D. It'c coming down to like 5 minutes left on the corpse and even then if there's someone nearby you should ask.

This isn't a fucking free-for-all. It's called common courtesy. I'm well aware 99% of the human population is unaware of this concept but it still exists.

So please, from now on people don't "Herp derp it's at 27 minutes left they must not want it!"

Ths game has thousands of lines of code why should Hunter or any of the other Devs (all of whom don't get paid)  have to do extra work because people can't follow rules.

What I can't understand is why is it so essential to have a way to benefit from the work of other random people. Tons of people have progressed by killing mobs, getting help killing mobs, or asking for items that werent going to be used.

And how freaking hard is it to just ask. It certainly takes more time and energy to kill stuff.

Also if you ever played live you would know there were timers there but Ninjalooting is still a bannable offense.

Thanks for making it crystal clear Hunter, this way people have little reason to do anything but follow the rules you have clearly laid out for them. This will hopefully keep people from making/running into trouble.

i agree,
thanks hunter

Take it down a notch, you guys are attacking me like I have done something wrong.  After all curse words are against the rules.  All I have done is played the Devil's Advocate to your opinion and obviously upset you, but that was not my intention.

I just started on this server a week ago and have worked hard to gear up and progress.  I have not had any issues with anybody in game, and I have enjoyed my time over here thus far.

Just because I don't agree with one certain issue does not mean I have mal-intent.  I disagree with a number of political issues in America, but I consider myself a respected law abiding citizen.

But ban me for disagreeing with you if that is your wish, because you have nothing else on me than a difference of opinion.  Im sorry to have ruffled your feathers, but this is a public forum in which people state their opinions on matters.  I have said all along that I am not saying you guys are wrong nor am I saying that I am right, Im just saying what I feel, and if that is punishable, then ban away.

This is the best posting I have seen on this thing!

But what is with someone shouting XY is rotting on ABC. Is this now an allowance for other to loot that corpse or is it still better to ask again per tell?

A nice feature would be to have if consider a corpse that the slayer is listed also. This to give the people the possibility to ask for looting rights.

Yes, thats how people announce rots for others to come grab. But I would still once you get there and maybe are looking at the corpse ask the player who annouced the rot if its ok to loot the item. In some cases another person would have asked about it before you did or maybe a guilde or friend who has priority might have asked if they can get it. Usually they will announce that the item has been claimed in the same format as they announced the rot but it's good to ask incase you missed it.

I honestly hope you don't get banned for expressing opinions. This really is a fun server with lots of good people for the most part.

Even though you are new you should be able to understand why this is such a touchy subject.  Imagine if you have been trying to get a specific item, such as plate legs for one of your toons, and you have put in several hours of playing before it drops only to have some one walk up and take it. Everyone who plays has a life outside of the game and has to devote time away from other things to get some time to play. It's not cool to steal something someone has worked for.

It is upsetting to people that you mention things like corpse timers when there is just one absolute rule that IMO is a very fair one. If someone kills something it's their loot.

I couldn't agree more Thyl, I have said from the beginning that blatant ninja looting is unacceptable and inexcusable.  What I am arguing is that some of the complaining is nothing more than a misunderstanding, and the majority of the time can be worked out in other ways than immediate overreaction and flaming.

All I am saying is that if I was camping say, pages 1-5 for my 2.0 like I was last night in LDoN, and I LD right as I kill the mob.  I come back and the page is gone, yes I might be frustrated, but I know that in 15 minutes the mob will be back up and I can get my page again.

Certain situations are a major issue and should be dealt with accordingly, but I feel like some are a vast overreaction and can be handled far more maturely.  But that is my opinion, and it is obviously not shared by Hunter, as he has now made it clear what the rules are.

Though I chuckle at attempts by others saying in all caps, IT IS CLEARLY STATED, and then they will say things like:


Well a 'decent' amount of time is a very ambiguous, and left up to interpretation.  Discrepancies such as this do not help make the rules clear.

Obviously the rule is not so clear to a lot of people, because not every player on EZ reads the forums.  I know that me and my 7 or 8 real life friends just started playing over here, and some of them had no idea that these forums even existed.  Instead of crying about the injustices done to you, lets think of a solution to solve the problem.  I suggested a longer corpse timer more in lines of Live, but that was apparently shot down assuming I had no idea what the corpse timer was like on Live.  I do know the corpse timer opens up to the general public on Live as well, but after a longer period of time than 2.5 minutes.  Which would alleviate some of these issues; people would have time to get their alts over, if they LD'd they would have a chance to get back in the game, etc.  What about a text box that pops up when you log into the game that states the rules.  People can read and refer to them in-game, and afterwards just click the X and it goes away.

Lets try and direct this conversation away from being reactive and pointing fingers, to something more proactive.  How can this issue be solved?  If you say something along the lines of, the rules are clearly stated, then you're wrong.  The rules are on a forum outside of the game, in which many people do not frequent.  Im sure I will offend some oldschoolers, but maybe we can figure out a way to alleviate some issues if we come up with some good ideas.

How about changing / adding to the MOTD to say something like "Attn: Make sure you read & adhere to the rules located at <insert forum link here>.

That way people know that there are forums for EZ Server, and know that there are rules etc that people are to follow.

Done.

Hunter could just add this website/link to the MOTD and everyone who logs into thte game will know the forums are here.  ;D

The rule is clearly stated, anyone that gives you anything outside of that stated rule puts you at risk of being banned, don't use player interpretations of it simply read the rules which don't leave any room for interpretation. If you didn't understand it clearly before you should know that hunter has stated it yet again. It is really that simple.

The problem you are running into is you have played a week or two here? Most of us have played for months/years and this comes up all the time, we are frustrated with having to repeat what has been clarified over and over again repeatedly. The rules spell it out quite clearly, don't loot something you didn't kill, that's it no other interpretation is needed at all, no exceptions, no excuses. If you lack permission to loot something, simply don't. Kill it yourself.

Anyone that fails to read the rule only has themselves to blame given the motd clearly gives the website and rules are stickied here and you see the motd every single time you log in, failure to read them is a player issue not a server issue. If you don't review the rules of the server you are playing on that's on you and doesn't excuse you from following them.

Arguing over simple and clear rules as a new player will not make your life easier on the server, it makes longer term players look at you and not want to help you when you attempt to be a rules lawyer.

But since Hunter took the time to clearly spell it out for you yet again, I'd imagine you understand with 100% certainty not to loot anything you don't kill unless you have a screenshot giving you permission, i can't imagine you need it clearer than that?

LOL! Got it in before I did!

It's not my server, so run it how you will with my thanks for doing so.

So this is probably a moot point...

I find myself agreeing with Engels.

If someone comes upon a downed named that seems deserted, looks around again, checks it, finds a REALLY nice upgrade on it, Looks around again and sees nobody, says 'Hail anybody?' Can I loot this?, no answer... they should be able to loot up without threat of penalty.

That's part of the thrill of the game. Finding treasure!

But my impression of the original design of the game is that the RISK of losing loots is part of the game. Consider the rogues pickpocket skill for example. Part of the thrill of playing a rogue is to roleplay the part, sneak up on a group and pick their mobs clean, all the while making a bad name for yourself. (I've never done this, but still find it an exciting part of the game).

My perception is that more than half of the people on this board have multiple well-geared 70+ toons, which would not benefit from finding abandoned treasure anyways. So the opinions here would be weighted for the rules that Hunter stated.

No matter what the rules may be... we should all follow them and be thankful.

Cheers

 

I understand the rules Crab, you are extremely hard headed and frustrating to deal with.  Just because I am new, should not mean that my opinions should be ignored.  Else you will wind up like Test Server (the server I have played on since 2000) and have a maximum of 50 players online at all times, just the old school clique.  While that may have its advantages for people like you that are in that clique, its not a positive thing for a healthy server.

Im done arguing with you about the rules.  I am simply stating that there is a problem, and you can either sit on here and complain about it, or offer up some solutions, other than just to ban all the bastards.  Others have offered some solutions, while you have brought nothing positive to the conversation.

And I honestly don't really care if you or any other old schoolers will hold a grudge on me because I have stated my opinion on a matter.  I play this game to have fun with a select group of my real life friends.  Regardless, if you do hold a grudge on me for stating my opinions, you're probably not the type of person I want to spend my free time playing a game with anyways.

My only opinion on banning people is to do so when they break the rules. You can discuss fairness of rules etc all you like. What you can't do is disobey them. As long as you don't ninja loot I don't have an issue with you, but arguing about how the server defines it when it is clearly stated by the gm is incorrect and disrespectful of the server and the gm.

You are welcome to try and change the rules, but don't argue about the defined definition, that's simply foolish and in this instance it was clearly defined.

to sum up, working for change = good. Trying to argue the stated rules are unclear = foolish. They were crystal clear.

Arguing for things like a longer corpse timer would accomplish nothing more than making people stand around even longer waiting for a corpse they killed to open up so their alt can then loot it. It's not a corpse timer issue, it's a respect issue, ie have respect for other people's kills. If they don't invite to you loot it, simply don't. If you ask and are granted permission, that's great and loot away, but under no circumstances assume that a lack of response = permission to loot.

The corpses you are currently seeing after a week of playing are minimal effort bosses to get to spawn since most of them are times and maybe they only do take 15 minutes to respawn but as you get higher in the game you maybe see a particular mob once a week randomly in raiding, sometimes less. And when that mob does spawn it has 1/4 or 1/16 chance of dropping what you need, it's not funny when that corpse gets looted before the alt you've been camping to get it for for a week gets stolen. Your offer to help kill it again doesn't make it spawn again, nor does it make sure it has the correct loot on it even if it does hence why people are so protective of their loot rights. Loosing a pair of T2 cleric legs for instance that may take months to get is a big deal to people.

It's fine to have an opinion but make sure you understand the scope of what is covered here, most people here aren't talking about 15 minute spawns being lost, they are talking about places like t1/t2 where they may literally spend a month camping for 1 item.

Obviously.

Look man, I'm not the one complaining about the constant problem, you are.  Einstein's definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.  You are insane if you think that anything is going to change by complaining on the forums.  The same forums that the ninjas don't read in the first place.  As a new player, and with friends who are also new players, Im telling you this from a new player's prospective.  As an MMO veteran, I always look to forums as a resource guide for information and solutions, but many players do not.  If you fail to accept this fact then I'm not sure what else to tell you bud.



Once again, let me reiterate, instances such as this are unacceptable and inexcusable, as I have said at least 3 times already.  But as for all the complaining I have seen about mobs in Time, LDoN and Qvic, it is my opinion that there are better ways to handle the issue.

I've made no complaint on the forums here about ninja looting, all I've done is try to point out that the rules were defined and clear in response to people saying they didn't understand it, or they felt when the timer expired it was fair game.

If people are quickly banned for ninja looting no matter what zone my guess is the problem will go away in all zones like Time/Ldon/Qvic etc accomplishing and end to complaining basically. It's only an issue when people think they can get away with it is all.

I agree, it will quickly eradicate the problem, and I understand your position on how it is the rule and if you break it you should be punished to the upmost extent of the law.  However, for many issues that are a common misunderstanding, I just don't believe going directly to the boss man and getting someone banned is a good thing for anybody.  If you start banning anyone who breaks any rule then you will be left with a desolate server, and nobody wants that.  Its pretty hard to recruit when there are 30 people left on a server.

We are all adults here.  According to the Age Poll on the forums we only have 1 teen.  We should act like adults and try to work trivial issues out and I bet a lot of the issues could be solved.

No...you will be left with a group of people who obey the rules and the drama and kiddie crap will eventually go away, until new people come on and you go thru it all over again.


Yay! At least one of my threads was good for something!  ;D

I don't disagree that many issues may be a common misunderstanding, it's just this particular one isn't. It's been defined ad nauseam as you can tell by now ;) There is no ninja looting misunderstanding unless people didn't bother to read the rules of the server they play on (which are posted on the forums the motd links you too).

In general I agree we should work out trivial issues, but ninja looting shouldn't be treated as a trivial issue, if you treat it firmly and immediately the problem goes away. If you tolerate it and consider it trivial, people will consistently push the envelope and the problem persists. Simply suspending a player for a week for the first time they ninja followed by 2 weeks, followed by a perma ban wouldn't take long till people understood not to do it is my guess. As you say we are adults, we should all be capable of reading and understanding rules right?

The only problem I find with that statement is there is always SOMEONE who will 'push the envelope' to see what they can get away with.

I liked the idea of putting the name of the person who killed the mob on the corpse timer, if that is even possible.  It would help with people contacting that individual to see if they can get permission to loot.

Yes that is no doubt the 2nd best solution offered thus far.  Instances are by far obviously the best way to eliminate the problem.  I don't know the difficulty either would require to make happen, as I know zero about running a server or customizing the game code.

I'd imagine numerous instances would be resource intensive. Also you are then kind of moving towards an online single player game.

Its a shame that lengths like this even come in to discussion for issues that could be resolved with common decency. Whether or not people read the forums linked by the MOTD they should know better. Weeding out people who don't respect the rules isn't going to put a hurt on the population.

That's the key phrase right there....wish more people had that.  :(

As long as the content is difficult enough to require more than a single person, I don't know how this is leaning towards a single player game.  Raid content will still require a raid to complete regardless of whether its instanced or not.  It will just alleviate some of the drama involved with ninjaing, campstealing, leap frogging, training, etc.  World of Warcraft is the largest MMO in existence, and almost every viable zone worth salt is instanced.  If instances were not a good thing to have I doubt MMOs would have begun using them, and that includes Everquest.  Some of my fondest memories of EQ includes completing MPG trials and DoDH missions with friends.  None of that content was soloable or considered single player.

And if we are using the no leniency policy of if you didn't kill it, and didn't get permission to loot it, then that is ninja looting, I vote to ban Rob.


J/k Rob, I really don't want to ban you bud, was just using this as an example.  But what if someone would have come back from an LD and sent you a tell saying, "WTF".  Im sure you would have felt bad, apologized and tried to come to a solution like a reasonable person.

But what if that person you were dealing with wasn't being sensible?  What if he took screenshots/fraps of the incident and got you banned?  Would that be just?

My friends and I often toy around with the idea of creating an online game. In addition to having some game programming experience we have played almost every MMO you can think of between us. We all agree that WoW is a well polished game but it's ultimate failing is that it is an environment that spawns douchebags.

I usually attribute this to the ease that a single person can progress to the end game without really being forced to interact with other players.

A person on this server could pretty easily box their way to T2.  Part of what made original EQ great was that it actually took teamwork to accomplish things. On this server you can make it alot further by yourself then on live. I think the situation would be pretty horendous if people were isolated till they had to raid. Not to mention the detriment to new players interacting with the older base.

I was still playing when EQ instanced Time. I played on TZ and it greatly benefited my guild who had competed with Pandemonium and Indignation for numerous spawns over the years.  SoE didn't deciede to go back through the game and instance all zones like Crushbone.  I'm not sure if it was ever really a viable option but I'm glad they didnt.

Btw WoW is the most successful MMORPG it's not the largest MMO.  Being the most successful doesn't make it an ideal game.  Even in WoW though you don't have everything instanced. People do have to sometimes compete or wait for certain spawns.

Sorry, just going back and reading some of the earlier posts in this thread.  This guy is undoubtedly one of my favorites:


But then he says...


This makes me chuckle.  Crystal clear Lodar, crystal...but only when it is convenient.

You guys that think this rule is crystal clear are wrong, Im sorry.  It might be crystal clear to you Crab and Thyl, but to a majority of players there is a pretty large grey area of ambiguity.

Just because someone is unlikey to report you for looting a diamond off a corpse they left half way across the zone doesn't make the rule any less clear.

Why do you keep arguing that someone's ability to do something makes the rule ambigious?

People jaywalk all the time and don't get caught, it doesn't make it anymore legal or make the laws about it any less clear.

Now hopefully everyone isn't some jerk just waiting to catch people looting random trash mobs they left long ago but it doesn't make the rule less clear.

I found another issue which making me requesting a shorter corpse decay timer of for ex. 15 min or even less. This issue happens a lot in crowded or dense populated zones like Mistmoore Castle.

The rules states that what you not kill are you not allowed to loot without permission. Otherwise is that what you kill on your own you have the right to loot. Now imagine that you want to kill a mob in a dense area like the inside of the castle. Now you see at the mobs place already being a corpse there and a living mob. Now you engage the living mob and it dies at the same place as the already existing corpse. When you now have to switch target to engage an add and then turning back to the corpses. As long either someone to ask for the other corpse looting right is there or the corpse lock timer is still there you can try to loot your own corpse (or both with the rights). But when both is not available it could be that you loot the wrong corpse or you can not loot your corpse because the other one is blocking it!

Another thing with the corpses are, that they causes additional lag or can even cause crashes which happened to me once after getting into a Velketor flooded with corpses! I do not know how much corpses are affecting the server itself but it have an impact on the clients and probably on the bandwidth between server and clients.

ambiguous [æmˈbɪgjʊəs]
adj
1. having more than one possible interpretation or meaning
2. difficult to understand or classify; obscure
[from Latin ambiguus going here and there, uncertain, from ambigere to go around, from ambi- + agere to lead, act]

I am arguing that people are having a difficult time understanding the rule(2), and that the rule is being interpreted differently by different people(1).

Heck, Lodar interpreted the rule in two different ways within one month.

Some people are saying that it is okay to do it in Dulak, but not higher content.

These are ambiguous arguments.

Why do you keep arguing that because the rule is clear to you, it is clear to everyone who plays on EZ?

It really does no good to try to get them to see things from another persons perspective. take a look at :

http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=398.msg5003;topicseen#new (http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=398.msg5003;topicseen#new)

In it all i tried to do was explain why some players feel they had to ninja loot in qvic. What did i get for it? Alot of hostility and name calling. Some people on these forums do not care to look at things from another persons perspective. And all you are gonna get from trying to get them to see it from anothers view is a head ache a lot of hostility and/or name calling.

To them its 100% black and white. Heck i asked them about the camping rules and i was accused of trying to get around them. >_<

As an exampile the rules stated:

NO KILL STEALING
Place nice here, and don't kill steal. You can hold a camp if you are not afk. When a mob spawns, you need to engage it, or else you will be considered afk and forfeit the camp. You can not have 1 toon hold the camp while waiting for your group to arrive.

Then:

You can go afk while camping for a boss but need to engage the boss within 5 minutes of it spawning. If the boss has been up for 5 minutes, and the person is not attacking it yet, then they forfeit the camp and anyone can have it.


I mentioned a situation where a person had his alt sitting at a boss while off killing another. Yet the rules state you can not have an alt hold a camp as stated above and further in the rules it states you can not hold 2 camps at once. i was told i was wrong for leaving a camp while a person killed 2 spawns of said boss as they needed 2 drops to come back and have my spot back despite the other person only had an alt there and was off killing another boss on his main >_< (the person with his alt came after i had left to kill 2 other bosses and was not with the 3 people who were there before killing for 2 drops))

A link to the topic i mentioned:

http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=380.0 (http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=380.0)

And for trying to clarify this and ask questions concerning the rules i was met with alot of hostility name calling as well as being accused of trying to get around the rules. >_< I would say it best to not even try and move on and save yourself the head ache and drama that is sure to come.

Maybe its cause you litter your posts with silly ascii faces. Or maybe it's just the overwhelming irony of you posting about perspective. You always assume you are fighting for the underdog because you are talking about the perspective of less geared players.  Do you ever consider that more geared players worked and put time in to get where they are and deserve the fruits of their labors?

Seriously Zolton I can't account for what everyone has said to you but I tried very hard in the begining to just match your arguments with thoughtful responses.  You just blow everything off as hostile and stick to your one moot point about perspective.

If a poor man steals a loaf of bread because he can't buy one to feed his family is it a shame? Yes. Is it still a crime? Yes! Thats one of the points I have tried to argue in the other thread, in addition to things not being as dire as you make them out to be.

I get that people hit hard points sometimes. I have had them too. Could it result in a rule change? Maybe. But it doesn't make the rule any less clear.

Btw in that one thread you mentioned with the guy and the camp. I even posted saying you were at least right in one of your arguments.

I'm sorry Engels, but you're rationalizing.

The rule is clear.  It's plainly stated.  There is no room for interpretation.  Ignorance of the Law is not an excuse.

People see grey area because they either have not read the rules, or don't wish to abide by them so they try to push the envelope.  Honestly, as the rule is stated, please tell me what part now seems grey to you.  Not what part don't you agree with, or what part seems excessive.

Lodar's previous posts don't contradict the rule.  He knows the rule.  He understands the rule.  There are instances in which he chooses to ignore the rule.  In all of the hypotheticals, people are simply putting forth scenarios in which they would choose to ignore the rule.  That's fine.  You pay your money and you take your chances.  If you choose to ignore the No NinjaLooting Rule and someone gets bent out of shape about it, you risk punitive action.  Ban, Delevel, Stern Lecture, Whatever it may be.

Let's face it, if you loot abandoned mobs in Dulak all day you'll probably never hear a word about it.  Ten Point Tokens in LDoN?  Probably not going to elicit any comment from anyone.  Trash mobs get abandoned all the time and people go thru and loot them and no one cares.  But that doesn't change the fact that it is against the rules of the server.

Would Hunter ban someone for looting something off of a trash mob?  Probably not unless that person had a history.  But that doesn't make the rule "grey."  It means that Hunter is a reasonable person.  The rule is still the rule.

Thank you Gantrathor, I couldn't put it better.

Engels, I am trying to tell you with no ill will, people understand the rule. Just like with any rule or law they follow them to the degree that they choose. It doesn't make it less clear.

I like most people sometimes speed while driving. Doesn't make the law less clear.

Anyone can say anything I loot is mine, doesn't mean its the truth. Obviously depending on the situation you may or may not be punished for your actions but that doesn't make the intent of the rule less clear.

Both of you summed that up very well. It's the point I've been trying to make and failing miserably at. Well spoken indeed.  :)

I agree, the rule is stated very clearly.  There is no ninja looting.  But people are still interpreting this the way they wish or ignoring this as you wish to phrase it.  This is obvious as to the amount of publicity this topic has received.

I just think going around with the ban stick is an extreme solution.  If a puppy pees in the house, you shouldn't beat it.  You tell him/her, "NO", and you take it outside and show it where to pee.  Then give it praise when it does the right thing.

There seems like there should be easier solutions with less headache for both the players involved (on both sides) and Hunter.

I have enjoyed debating this topic with you guys, I like to discuss problems and potential solutions.  But I have spent far too long of my work day on this, so I am going to fade back into the EZserver shadows and let everybody play as they choose. 

Can't believe this thread is still going, hunter even made it clear in a post

It's simple.

If you did not kill the mob, or you cannot get permission from the person who *did* kill the mob, regardless of how long is left on the corpse timer, then LEAVE IT ALONE.

If people cannot understand that simple (and it is simple) concept, then they deserve to be banned.

Should not matter if it is a trash mob, or a boss - you didn't kill it?  You don't get to loot it.

This rule is as black and white as a speed limit sign.

LOL can't tell if you're being ironic here or not.
Yeah clear as speed limits... that not one single driver obeys, and nobody gets a ticket for going only 5-10 over.

IMO common sense should prevail here (like speed limits, 5-10 over, ok.. 60mph in a school zone = ticket).  If it's newbish gear off trash mobs in Dulak or BoT or even Time, and they are killing dozens of mobs at once (lol "no trains" another rule everyone ignores) and not even bothering to loot the coin (ie they didn't even check the mobs once) before running off to kill 2 dozen more.. I think it's safe to assume they don't want the loot.  If it's high-end "tier" stuff that's a different story, and NOBODY should be sitting there like a vulture clicking corpses as soon as they hit the floor when it's obvious the people who killed it may want the loot.

That's part of the problem I think.
People assuming.

Rules state if you didn't kill it, don't loot it without permission.

Just because others break rules, doesn't mean you should.

It really is that simple.

Begging is at an all time high, and too little tiki's. thats all i can say cuz this server rocks and I love it.

ALSO, would like to say being charmed in City of Mist while RoA'ing is a splendid delight, now that zone will blind and charm. YAY

No matter which way you put it, the general player base does not view looting after the 27:30 mark as ninja looting.  

I was very surprised when after my first few hours on the server some dude went off on me for looting a corpse that was about 10 minutes from rot.  I tried talking to him about it, but he was obsessed with this no ninja looting rule that made absolutely no sense to me.  My entire 12 year old MMO experience was telling me that once a game allowed anyone to loot something, then it was fair game for anyone.

A quick visit to these forums and a little bit of searching later, and I found this thread.  Now, even if I come across a page sitting on a boss mob in a LDON and I am the only person in the zone, I will let it rot.  I know it makes zero sense to do so, but rules are rules, so I let it rot and wait for a respawn.

While I respect the rules Hunter has put out on this issue, and now abide by them to the T, I still want to remind everyone that the entire "Unless you kill it, DONT LOOT!  Even if the game lets you do so!" is not common knowledge.  I have never heard anything like this in my life and if newbs are going to get banned for looting an NPC in Dulak that is about to rot, then this rule should take precedence over everything else in the server /motd.

I suggested something similar, along the lines of "Read the rules on the forum".......

+10000000000000000000

The average player knows that looting something in someone else's camp spot that they did not kill is ninja looter. Of course your average ninja looter is going to disagree with that. To say that the average player does not know this is being extremely naive.

Took me long enough but I finally decided to start using the forum. LOL.
After reading through 7 pages of mostly Ninja Looting arguements, I have to say I agree with Hunter. If you didn't kill it, don't loot it. Period. End of discussion.
As for the earlier posts about what if someone goes LD, how are you supposed to know? That is the whole point. You don't. So: If you didn't lill it, don't loot it.
Take it from an ex-assistant GM, there are plenty of people who want to bend or turn or twist the rules to fit their situation. But if you break a rule, you face the consequences. KSing. Camping. Hunter has set the rules (and defined and worded them) as he wants thems. If you don't like them or agree with them or want to abide by them, then please go somewhere else. But don't try to justify any violation of any of his rules.

First post is top notch.

Updated the rules. Read them so you don't get banned.

need some clarification on  "If the item doesn't drop, then give someone else a chance at the next spawn before you try again."

so are we only allowed one spawn if we are camping a FG/CG item then we have to let someone else have the next kill?

If that is the case, then someone can be there for 2 hours and someone else comes along and is there 30 mins or so and gets the drop cause they were allowed by rules to go after the next spawn. That would really really suck. I am glad I won't be doing these camps anymore.

im sure this is a misundertanding.
If it isnt, its gonna change the entire camping process on EZ.

So how long do you think its going to take for someone that is farming a guild item to tell the persons behind them, "Ohh it did not drop this time". There are going to be times when an item does not drop, and I don't think Hunter wants to get an email every time someone is accused of repeat loots, The only way around that would be a mutual understanding that when there is more than a single person at a camp, you group up so when the person in the front of the line kills the named, you can see what they loot. The only drawback would of course be the ninja looter. However if you have logs turned on, take a SS of them looting, and copy from the logs a few lines above and below where it shows that person looting, IMO that should be enough proof to send to Hunter. This would allow the person in the front of the line to get their item no matter how many kills it takes.

It reminds me of years ago on the Live servers when people would do trade skill combines for plat that would make a sell-able item. The Tradeskiller would take the items from the other player for the combine, successfully do the combine, and tell the person, "Sorry, failed this time" and the other person had no clue if the combine was failed or not, unless they grouped with them. Same thing, it was a mutual understanding by the two parties, you grouped up.

Humanity is at an all time low when Hunter has to put a rule like this in place. So yea, it would suck that after you kill a mob and you have to go to the back of the line, even if it does not drop. But there is no other way, people are just out of control ignorant and will do anything to keep farming those drops when others are in line.

Shame everyone cant just drop several G onto the server and be cloned characters. You know, just handed ultimate charm and full t2 or better gear with zero work put into it.
Wouldnt need to do the FG/CG camps if that happened.

Updated Guild Quest Camps rules again. Basically, back to old rules, don't go afk. Also adding 100k pp instances.

Instances are win win.
Its really sad how people behave on the mobs.
Whats so hard with you get there, wait your turn in line, get your drop and leave.
Oh well.

So basically someone can leave a mass of bodies clogging an area & you have to ignore them & try to work around them. I've just started there & going through the castle & shipyard quests I kept running across these massive piles of bodies & when I got a kill at times the body fell into a pile of others left behind by someone else. By strict reading of the rules if I can't determine which one is mine I could be nailed for looting a body of a mob killed by someone who just left it to rot? Most of them had something I could not use & I basically used the destroy function to get rid of it so as to clean up the area to make it usable.

Those bodies cannot be looted by any but the individual/group that killed it in the first place for a set period of time. If they walk away from it, it would seem to me that they were not interested in what that mob was carrying. If this set period of time is not long enough, I would think it a simple matter to extend the locked time a bit.

Hrm, extend lock time. Might do that + corpse time. Of course people would need to key /hidecorpse all for train corpses. Still needs work. I doubt trash corspes are big deal but if you see a boss corpse, I definately would not touch it even if nobody was there. Someone could be rez'ing or on their way, guild member whatever.

Please don't extend corpse lock time.  Raids crash some zones or are impractical in other circumstances, and it would suck to have to wait even longer to loot a chest or corpse in t2 for example.

Hmm not a fan of putting lock out timers on corpses but maybe reducing how long a trash corpse can stay on the ground would work.
No idea if that is possible but if they hang out for 7min maybe reduce to 5min.
As it is as soon as I zone in I hit 2 hotkeys.
/hidecorpse all
/hidecorpse looted
Then I clear whats near me and if I notice someone just ahead of me killing I'll pause a second and hit the keys again to hide their trash corpses and continue clearing.

Like I said this dorf is full of teh knowledges.  Now go get your damned 4.0 ho.

All corpses are 30 minutes I believe.  I don't think it's possible to make "boss" corpses different from any other spawn except by hand-editing and that's a lot of work.

/hidecorpse (/hidec for short) is definitely your friend.

As far as trash mobs, to be totally honest I will sometimes "accidentally" pull mobs on top of another pile of corpses, and if I "accidently" loot something I didn't kill .. oopsie daisy!   ;D  Nobody really cares about trash that has been left behind.  Boss corpses are another matter, don't touch those unless you have permission.

If you see the guy who killed him walk away could you assume that he/she was finished with it?

No, but you can assume that if you loot a mob that someone else killed you could get banned.

Oh and apprently if you use bad words in ooc you get squached forever =( my monk tailsknocks accdently let one out as i was trying to impersanite a song =/. Major fail on my behalf

i think its safe to say that it MOST LIKELY won't though, so if its abandoned don't be too worried I say do a quick /shout and be done w/ it..


:( Very lame IMO

In all likelyhood if it is a trash mob that no one is around and no one has been around for several minutes, (minutes not seconds) ant is is pre PoD you might be ok looting something off the mob that is clearly abandoned. Remember though you are taking a risk in doing so. It would be a very good idea to do a shout or even a tell but you can not use that as an excuse if you get in trouble for it. It's about like speeding... just a little bit. You take a risk, but most do it anyway. There are still no excuses for it though.

If you kill something & do not want what is left but do not want someone else to get it either, just pick up the item/s & destroy it/them. You can do this with no-drop & no-trade items and duplicate lore items, just destroy the lore item you have on hand & pick up the new one.

junkyard dog

That is not an option if the item you have is auged.

I've not run across a lootable item that had an aug on it already.

Edit: Just caught exactly what you said, if the lore item you have has an aug then of course you wouldn't be able to switch that way.

It's not usually an issue because you are usually looting part of a pattern which differs from the armor right?

Not that Im usually worried about it unless there are some annoying vultures in the area but you can just loot the item on another class of toon who wouldnt grab it normally.

After a loot discrepancy yesterday, Hunter replied back to my e-mail with the following.

Rules in forums should state that your not allowed to loot a corpse unless your given permission, even if its only 5 seconds away from rotting. There are many cases of people zoning in for the loot on alt box, or crashed, or whatever. Looting a corpse without permission (get a screenshot with date/time stamp) can get you banned.

That's true not your kill , not your loot... no matter the timer..

Hunter, Whats the exact ruling on people continually failing on a  Tiki spawn? If you give them multiple attempts and they keep wiping, is it okay to kill the mob?

Here's a few rules that confuse me on this subject.
Under "NO KILL STEALING" : "If a guild spawns a boss thru a turn in quest, then only that guild has rights to the boss."
-This makes it seem it is not okay to take the mob (although it doesnt take a guild to spawn the mob).

However, under "NO HOARDING TIKIS"
"After the boss event is over, either succeed or fail, then you must give another group a chance to spawn the next boss."
-This makes it seem as tho a wipe could forfeit rights to the mob.


Just wondering.

That is called wishful interpreting. If you did not spawn the boss you have no rights to it. They have it till it despawns or they kill it. The rules state plainly: If a guild spawns a boss thru a turn in quest, then only that guild has rights to the boss. That means only that guild has rights to that boss. The next rule is stated plainly too: After the boss event is over, either succeed or fail, then you must give another group a chance to spawn the next boss. The boss event can not be over if they just failed to kill it because they can still resume it. What this rule means is technically once they either kill the boss or it despawns you get to spawn the next boss. (I am not sure about PoG, especially with the recent changes but in PoD it is largely considered a douche move to kick someone off a tiki because they 'had their turn'. Sure it is in the rules, but it will earn you a poor reputation.) If you attack a boss that someone else spawns, without their permission, you are guilty of kill stealing.

Xiggie is wise

If I see a group failing on a tiki over and over, I usually offer to kill it  if they want it dead, I group one of their guys so they can lock the corpse as soon as its dead. (the rare time I am in a pub PoD)

Now that is a classy thing to do.

Actually those rules seem to be open for interpretation. You also have the 5 minute rule to engage so if someone wipes on a boss and can't engage w/in 5 minutes is it still their boss? You don't need a guild to spawn a tiki boss, what if it's 5 or 6 random players grouping then what? Veredus brings up some good points here and obviously what one person see's the rule as is not the same as another person. No were in the hoarding tiki rules does it say a fail is a boss despawning, it just says loss or fail. You can assume fail is a boss despawning or you can assume fail is a group wiping on the boss.

It almost seems like when Hunter wrote these rules he pictured guilds racing to the content fighting over who gets what like in original EQ which is not the case on this server. How long does a boss stay up before it despawns? If a group spawns a boss, can't kill it and there are there an hour later after multiple wipes do they still have rights to that boss if it hasn't despawned? There's multiple rules that apply here and if Hunter can clarify which one takes priority over the next that'd be great. Or you can just get an instance and not worry about it I guess.

If you spawn it, you own it.  You can kill it, give it away, or wait for it to despawn since it's your mob.

If you didn't spawn it, and you haven't been given permission to kill it, leave it alone.

I'm really not sure why people are always looking for loopholes in these rules.  Use some common sense and treat others the way you would like to be treated.  Someday you'll fail on a mob and you won't want someone else grabbing it the second you die.

Does seem a bit loose on interpretation. I could see someone continually wiping on a mob until despawn then waiting another 30 mins to do anything because of a slow tiki spawn.

The rules are very clear. Go ahead and try to interpret the rules with anything other than common sense and you will likely find yourself with a lack of friend and prolly an eventual ban.

No they're not very clear. If they were you wouldn't have multiple people posting about it. The also states that if a guild spawns it. Well you don't need a guild to spawn a PoD boss. I  can solo the T1 bosses on my SK, granted it takes for ever to kill to them. If i spawn it myself and for some reason wipe am I considered "the guild" or if a group of people spawn it who is "the guild". What if someone spawns it wipes, and doesn't come back. How long does it take for a mob to despawn. If it's say something like 30 minutes does that mean someone has to sit there and wait 30 minutes for a boss to depop even though there is the 5 minute to engage rule. Like I said earlier there are multiple rules that apply here and it's up to Hunter to clarify which takes priority over the other.

It gets picky. This is why the world is going downhill. People throw out common sense and over analyze everything.

Whomever spawns the boss has the rights to it. Be it a guild or group or single character. (see how I adapted that?)

If someone spawns it, wipes and doesn't come back, then by the rules nobody can touch it and must wait for it to despawn. No matter how long that takes, it's not your pop so don't touch it. The 5 mins to engage doesn't apply in this case as it states, the one(s) spawning it have ownership.

Just look at it this way:

If you have to overanalyze it, just avoid it. Make an instance.

Yeah, if this many people are saying that this rule is murky water, then its not clear enough and needs to be cleared up so that no future issues occur.

Maybe Hunter should have a lawyer draw up an ironclad contract for everyone that wants to play here to sign so there is no confusion.

Well, that probably wouldn't work either since you'd have idiots arguing if rule 292 section 7 paragraph 4 should have an and instead of an or.

How hard is it to just use common sense?

And people wonder why everyone only wants to play in instances locked away from the rest of the population that is just looking for any reason to screw them.

Common sense has nothing to do with it so get off your high horse. Why is is that when people question something and you don't agree with it,  you have to go around like you're just so damn awesome the rest of us should be thankful that we even have the pleasure to play on the same server as you.  The fact is there are multiple rules that apply to this scenario. If the rule is that who ever pops the boss gets it for how ever long til it despawns and/or is dead that's fine. But no were in the rules does it clearly state that which is why you have multiple people asking about it.

Common sense, meaning sense of the common or, sense of the majority. No I didn't look that up in a dictionary but I think the majority of people would agree to that definition. Every once in a while an idiot or two come in here hunting for loopholes and saying the rules are 'murky'. A couple of idiots coming in here is not 'this many people are saying that this rule is murky' it's simply just a couple of idiots looking for loopholes. Maybe instead of hunting for loopholes in the rules you can hunt up other examples of people getting banned. People have been banned for the things you are talking about. If Hunter has to come in here and molly coddle every single loophole hunter then nothing would ever get done with the server. If anything, I wish Hunter would add the following rule.

NO LOOPHOLE HUNTING
Asking for clarification of the rules is fine, but when an overwhelming number of people come in here with basically the same interpretation then accept that is probably the correct interpretation. Being a douche bag by continually hunting for loopholes when the majority of people are giving basically the same interpretation could get you banned. Don't be a loophole hunting douche bag.

Common sense has everything to do with it.

If Hunter wanted this to be a cutthroat server with every person for themselves then he wouldn't have rules at all would he? 

If my believing that being nice to other people and offering to help them when they have trouble with a mob rather than stealing it from them puts me on a high horse then so be it.  The view is nice from up here and I have a clear conscience every day that I have treated people well and adhered to my own personal view of morality.

You seriously have the IQ of a walnut, they're multiple people on here asking for clarification about the rule. 2 people giving an interpretation hardly count has majority. I know the two of you would bend over for Hunter at anytime but whether you like it or not the rule is vague. And never once did I say I was hunting for a loophole or any one for that  matter, the only thing being asked is for clarification from Hunter. Last I check neither one of you are Hunter. People like you are the reason why this server is going to crap(yeah, yeah, I know I can go play some were else if I don't like it, save yourself some time typing that)

You're right, the people that would interpret the rules in a way that is fair to others and treats them with respect rather than badger Hunter for an exact clarification are the ones making this server crap.

So what you're saying is anyone who asks Hunter for clarification on a rule don't treat others with respect? And in no way is this badgering Hunter, he can come on and post a response when needed. Here's the problem, someone asks for clarification on a rule from Hunter, then someone else states that it could use some clarification again from Hunter. Then you two dumb shits come on w/you're interpretation of the rule, which probably is right but just because we want to make sure from Hunter we're accused of kill stealing, looking for loopholes, or not treating others fairly? Do everyone a favor and pull your head out of your asses before trolling around and posting on here. Here's something else for you to think about which may be hard for you to comprehend, but the reason we're posting for clarification from Hunter is so we know to do the right thing. Not kill steal, look for loopholes, or to be disrespectful as you seem to imply we are doing.

Is it really that hard to comprehend regarding Tiki spawns?
A group or guild uses a crystal to pop a boss - they own that spawn. They can kill it, sacrifice themselves over and over to it, try to marry it, play poker with it, whatever they choose to do with their spawn is up to them.

So a group spawns a boss from a tiki and they dont really have a chance of success fighting the mob...guess what the normal rules of engagement do not apply. They own the spawn period end of story.

Don't like the way tiki spawns work in public instances?
Pony up the 10k and buy a guild instance instead of coming on here and trying to get the "vague" and "murky" rules clarified.
Don't like the idea of common sense, or fair play governing a set of rules?
Buy an instance
Starting to see the trend in the answers?

Server going to crap? Are you that stupid? Look at my post count, I have been playing here for nearly 2 years off and on. And what's your name? Enema? Oh, the server is going to crap.

But your several people you say are questioning the rules. Let's look at that. There are 3 people in the month of november that have questioned this rule. They have a combined post count of 29. The earliest one registered on sept 7th. That gives the earliest about 2 months experience with this server. Now there are 5 people just this month that have tried to explain this rule. We have a combined post count of 1153. I created my forum account on 3/25/09, (this is the 3rd incarnation of the forums). I'd say there is a good chance we know a little bit about what we are talking about.

So you're basing the validity of your responses on your post count??? Ummm ok, maybe you need some time off i guess??? I don't know what you're trying to prove there other than the fact that you don't have much to do so you post a lot??? Cheers!

If you wanted to do what is right then you wouldn't need clarification of the rule.

Lmao, now you're just insulting to insult. You've figured out you don't have any valid points so now your just relying solely on insults. You've already said we are probably right but your too stupid and stubborn to fully admit that. You are working yourself into a wonderful reputation.

Wrong, if someone pops a boss, dies, logs. Then another person zones in and see's the boss is up, posts here for clarification from Hunter. The the peanut gallery jumps in blasting them for asking for clarification, implying they kill steal, are disrespectful. And then throw their "almighty" post count at you, oh my  :o that means you're not doing the right thing?

If someone zoned in after all this happened then how would they know who spawned it and that they logged?

Oh sorry, I was rules lawyering.

Doing the right thing in this case means not coming in here and looking for a loophole to justify breaking the rules. As for my throwing my post count at you, yep, you should listen to those that have been doing something somewhere longer than you. It generally means they know more about it from experience than you. Believe me, if I was a blooming idiot there is no way I would be able to stick around this long. But I have seen hundreds of people like you come and go.

Xiggie wins. No idea why you idiots try to fight common sense.
Its ok tho, after a little bit you will just fade away as well.

By clarifying rules you eliminate loop holes. By eliminating loop holes you better the server. Don't know why people have to jump on someones back when they bring up a legitimate question. I've been on the server a while and Hunter is a very good at what he does. I'm sure he wouldn't have any problem eliminating loopholes from the server rules.

Xiggie, post counts don't mean anything. Congrats, you've shared your opinion more than the next person. As my boy Plato once said, “Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.”

A boss wouldn't be just chilling in POD, so you'd have to assume that someone spawned it.  Therefor, it is not yours.  How the hell is this so hard to understand?  Hunter doesn't have time to go through every thread and answer questions like this. 

Guys, calm. Seems like a simple discussions turned violent in a sense. So we've established basic law is if you didn't spawn it or get permission to engage it, don't touch it. Let's leave it at that and try to abide by this rule too.

*Edit* Yes this is common sense, but repeating it in the simplest terms again is nice too.

PLAY NICE AND DON'T GRIEF
Do not harass players thru actions or words. Let them have their mobs, and don't spam them. If try to ruin the game for others, then you'll be removed from the game.

I'm fairly certain this carry's over to the forums as well. Play nice peeps and don't grief in game or here on the forums =)

Asking a question or seeking clarification is not what is going on with some of the people. They are simply looking for loopholes. There are no loopholes, the rules are very clear.

As for my post count, yes, I did throw it out there and yes, I do think it counts. It counts because I have experience on this server and this server has experience with me. If I was an idiot or moron or if my opinions were shyte people would have thrown me off the server and forums a long time ago. Especially as outspoken as I am with my opinions.

As for being a fool. I don't need Plato to tell me that a fool is someone who won't accept an answer when it's given. As far as demanding that only Hunter answer that question... that is a fools demand.

End of loophole.  Deal with it or move on.

It all comes down to greed and the more you argue about loopholes the greedier you sound, let it go listen to the "Simple Rules" and have some fun.

It's simple. New people: Read the damn rules. Interpret them as you will, if you interpreted them wrong you'll get called out on it. Honestly the banning thing is all bark no bite until someone personally tells Hunter, which usually occurs around the second or third warning. You do have a bit of room for mistakes but believe it or not it IS all about common sense in the first place. If you do make a mistake, listen to them or leave the server if you don't like it. EZ will be fine with one less person and there are millions of other servers for you to play on, because fighting back is gonna make you look more pathetic than Rosie O'Donell's entire career.

And to everyone else: You don't have to be Hunter's white knights. If someone's ignorant and insists on fighting back just let it drop and move the hell on. It's a waste if your time as much as it is Hunter's. It's as much your fault as it is the idiots that started the fight that this thread has gone on for 11 pages now and every last one of them pointless.

tl;dr pay attention to rules, let idiots go and don't drag shit out.

Kk time to leave this thread.
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Hey Danyelle, this is way off topic, but by chance do you have a link to that pic you used to have in your sig?

The lazytown one?

I cant find it anywhere...

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Awesome, awesome, lol.

Yep that is it, Thank you.

What about guild camps + reboots/server downs?

Say the timed reboot comes along, you're camping something in lguk. It's not uncommon that at the last few minutes you start seeing guys run to whatever you were camping and log there. So, you log in as soon as the reboot is done and... Some guy who ran and logged there is now there claiming he gets it since the mob had respawned during the boot and he managed to load his toon there first. Which can mean that whoever was camping it even sees it on his chat screen that the mob was killed like mere seconds before he got back.

Can get some clarification on this since most folks are torn on this?

Ive had people do that to me in the past.
Not sure how others handle it but I sit there and keep going.
I waited my turn for the camp, that jack ass can wait until I get my item.
Of course when I need guild sets I either buy them or buy a guild instance to avoid the P99 jerkoffs that visit from time to time.

I generally think of that situation in terms of the 5 minute waiting rule.  If the server has been back up for over 5 minutes and the person hasn't logged back in for the camp then I usually would claim it. 

yes i would do the same but imagine that you were camped there 3 days ago. And today you have time to play after server reboot then offcourse everybody would check if it is camped or not. But waiting 5 minutes is not such a big issue.

It's just that you dont know who camped it before server reboot.
But hey , this does not happen often i suppose that one starts to play everquest just after reboot and not before.

its obvious whats going on when 3 people rush to the named spawn pt and sit right on top of it and camp out right at server reboot.
Its ok tho, those are the same people that ask for help later and I give them the finger.

LMAO! Wish there was an emote for that.

hehe maybe they can put timers of these mobs after server reboot as they were just killed and have to wait again. Maybe that would avoid already some people. Or do not all monsters respawn after reboot?

just a thought but don't know enough about server to be sure so gonna shut up lol

Timers are all in sync with the computers time, not the server time. So they generally aren't up if just killed before the server reboots.

its saved to the DB and will respawn when its due, if something has greater then 10min timer I try to wait to kill it until just before reboot so I know its not up as soon as the server is.
Then Im ready to keep claim to my camp.
Im not above ignoring those tards and blasting my friendly npc to death before they can.

oh cool, did not know that.
Anyway im still saving for my 100k so that i can get my items from lower guk.
Just gonne plan it on a day where i have more time then 3 hours then i can do them a couple of times. So that i have all items in lguk for casters and fighter guild. Maybe some reserver if they are not lore

Well ye, I don't surrender the camp in the scenario either, since 99% of the time the fellow who tries to claim it had seen me there and knows damn well that I had been camping it and would ofc be back.

Oh also I tend to find the area empty and /time and screenshot several times leading up to the reboot.
Damn positive proof I was there, I owned that shit and you are just not getting it because a reboot happened.

of course I dont come back in a min or two of server unlocking I dont expect to keep my camp.
/cheers

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Lmao i meant ingame :P

/rude say gives %T the finger.

That makes you flipoff and emotes:
Clevitsj gives Solbash the finger.

Fixed.

Also: Wow, sorry about the thread resurrection - should have paid attention to last post date.
But anyway, good information can never be too late. Especially if it's about giving people the finger.

Double Edit: Maybe not a bad thing to have the server rules on the recent threads list again though, considering the amount of rules-qq'ing that has been going on lately.

FYI on reboot .......RULE is First one on gets camp.....there is no "i was there" now to play friendly its cool to give camp to person that claims was there before reboot.

I am sure Hunter has stated first come first serve on reboot.  Cant hold a camp if you are not logged on.

Having a screenshot it great.   but wont help you when someone killed the mob, cant get banned for being at a camp first and killing mob.  If I am wrong I hope Hunter corrects me

You are wrong this time ash ill find post during lunch when im not on phone the person at the camp before reboot should /time SS then come back.....

More later. Yeah Hunter has posted on this

http://ezserver.online/forums/index.php?topic=944.msg12825#msg12825

Thanks for grabbing that for me lerxst

Thanks both of you,   sucks I been hoodwinked on this one in the past.


/runs to fugi's camp

has anyone gone through this entire thread?  I just did.  Amazing!  The first 8 pages are dedicated to trying to get around the No Ninja Looting rule.   :o

I *know*! It's amazing, isn't it?

It's eight pages of But... But... If... But... But then... Can't we...

NO! Not yours, NO LOOT!  ::)

Have you tried /bird emote? i've not been ingame for a short while, crappy internets, but i believe it used to do the same thing as /rude, or a slightly different animation.

/bird doesnt work but /finger does

You guys r dumb

I don't think every event can be placed into that category.

Let me show you mine from yesterday:

(http://www.shrani.si/f/2e/Jz/hmpor2Z/ptah1.jpg)

Red - Start location: I load up my chars and check on fire tiki ( I had 4 crystals ).
Upon getting there, I see a SK and a Shaman (Adisk, Pingster) have just spawned Ptah and are engaging him. Considering their dps was low, I decided to roam a bit and kill dragons.
Black - End location: That's where I was in combat with a black dragon abotu 10 minutes later when one of my chars (bard) died all of a sudden and then there was Ptah all over me. It was on 12% hp and I tanked it and killed it.
It dropped Two Aug components and Cloth Leg Slot Multiclass pattern.
I inquired on the judgment call in /ooc and got mixed opinions, some say the loot is rightfully mine, some said it's not. I checked for the earlier mentioned people, they weren't online.

In the end, I loot-locked the corpse with a FD monk and let the items rot.

As per the rule:

So, according to that, I was killstealing yesterday. What, am I supposed to just lie down and die when something attacks me next time, so I don't break the rules un-intentionally?

Nothing you could do.  When you took AoE damage from Ptah you got on his aggro list.  When they wiped, he came after you.  What you did, waiting for them to log in for their loot, was a completely honourable thing to do.

Cheers

I'm not sure why my account is banned. Where would I go to find out??

I don't remember when I banned the account or why, but I do know that I rarely ban anyone, and usually when I do its for good reason.

Please make a new account and follow the rules.

Enjoy!

Hunter

Bump (cause people don't seem to see /motd or the little link to the left that says Rules.)

A lot of new and old players should re-read these. There has been an increase of Wow factor lately on the server..which is getting old quick.

It's Hunter's server like it or leave it.. (prefer ya'll stay)

 The use of common sense.. is the best rule but all the others pertain just as much!!!

Below is Hunter's Post from Page 1

Clear rules, I have broken one or two of them - unknowingly.

I have seen several 25+ mob pulls in LDoN4/5/6 by 'known' people, guilds, etc.  Blatantly too. Is this something I should be SS'ing or taken a video of?

I personally didn't mind, but reading this thread, I saw a few names quoting the 'absoluteness' of the ninja looting rules, yet break the train rule for custom zones.  Usually if someone is pulling that many mobs, I ask if I can loot the items I am looking for, usually chest cards, and some gear upgrades.

Get fraps. I run fraps in public zones because of the hypocrites on the server that tell you "Doing XYZ is against the rules" and at the same time they are telling you that, they are doing it themselves or breaking another rule.
Break the rules to your hearts content in a instance and hope hunter doesn't check it but keep that shit out of the public instances of the server.

I think the worst zones for train infractions is Qvic. I don't really care too much anymore when people do it, but it's pretty blatant.

Well, to be honest, qvic has some horrible pathing + large clumps of NPCs. You can't even pull some of those houses without getting 6+ mobs with a ranged pull or 9+ by running in.

Yeah, but I don't think running two or three houses' worth of mobs from one side of the zone to the AFK box squad on the other side is done to alleviate pathing problems.  :D

Updated

Hunter - wondering if this might work better.  Some of the info is off EQ's site here: http://soe-ing.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/210/kw/selling%20accounts/p/1/session/L3RpbWUvMTM2MDgyMjY2Mi9zaWQvanRBeTJQaWw%3D (http://soe-ing.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/210/kw/selling%20accounts/p/1/session/L3RpbWUvMTM2MDgyMjY2Mi9zaWQvanRBeTJQaWw%3D)

DO NOT SELL
Selling accounts or items for actual currency is prohibited on EZ Server.  This includes buying, selling, trading, or giving away of any account or its information. This is a violation to the SOE End User License Agreement.  Players found engaging in these practices will have accounts banned and deleted.  Furthermore, EZ Server is not responsible for any loss or damage incurred by unauthorised, player to player, transactions. 

You're lawyering way too much. Dude, this is just an emu server. You're over complicating way too much. I believe Hunter's 'Selling accounts or items will get them banned or deleted.' is plenty sufficient for a little emu server.

I have noticed a lot of lame players lately that think they can just push the rules inch by inch trying to tear apart the basics of what Hunter has posted.. The bottom line use common sense and don't be a re-re and Please don't have thin skin.

OMG the good old days of EZ with tons of slaughter and no politics!


--- Khaoticz
--- House of Strix

Hi all,

Thanks for many help.
My CLR has reached to Lv.70 with many people's help in these days.
This a great game and server.
Therefore, some of my roommates would like to play EQ here.
But, I notice a rule of EZserver and have a question about, "Do not share accounts".

In our rented house, our network is shared by a IP router machine that provides us intranet IP like 192.168.XXX.XXX .
Can we play EQ on EZserver in this network situation?
Or what can we do to play EQ without breaking the rule ?

Thanks! Sincerely

If you all share an IP, you can still play.  However, be warned that if 1 of you decides to be a major dick and in some way get banned, you all get banned due to accounts being IP linked.

Thanks for your reply, Dethundrel !

I will ask them not to break the rule anyway.
Thanks you again!  :)

May want to update the rules re: trains, just to stop any confusion, now with anti train code in, maybe some others but this prob the main one for new players askin, "why am in jail?"


Just a thought =), rules do change

Done.

Thanks H

That was fast lol, keeps it upto date =)

lol this thread... classic.

there should be a rule against arguing about the rules. :D

Hello, i agree and i love this server :)
Thanks GM for your job !

Dont know what to think about a guy calling himself EZLover while everything he does is posting a thread about how disgusted he is from this server… but well ok