You were the greedy guy that just can't wait their turn, or spend 10k.

How was I to know that the group to engage the first boss was entitled to every boss in the instance? (Again the point of the thread)

The community pretty much answered your question as I read it.

Please quote what I said that you inturpreted as a question regarding if I could leapfrog and if I was in the right. (If you do this I will most likely have to give you a link for a free lesson in reading comprehension).

I guess you will need this in black and white, maybe you shouldn't have asked the community if you didn't desire "their responses".

Again, I didnt ask.

Just email Hunter if you want from the horses mouth, don't ask the community for answers if you don't want to hear them. 

The main point of the post was to suggust that Hunter add it into the rules if it were indeed a rule. I didnt ask the community. You are right though This could have been done via email but i thought a recent thread had more visibility to those who may benefit from knowing there is an informal rule out there. (Its almost as if I do things for a purpose).

Let this thread die, hell I'm not even going to read it anymore.

Im sure you will read this - and you are going to itch like crazy to respond.

There is an easy answer to all of this..


Would you like what you are about to do to others done to you?

99% that answer is going to be no..

Actually what I did to the other group I wouldnt have minded done to me at all - hence why I felt like it was alright to do.

To answer your question as to why this post wont die - it is because posters such as yourself feel like you have the answer to a question that wasnt asked.

I think tacvi might be a slightly different cast, since higher mobs summon lower ones.  If you are fighting boss 1 and some uber goes and attacks boss 8, well...he just pulled the whole zone.

I agree with you completely. But want to also point out that leap frogging isnt black and white.

This is one of those "jerk" moves that the entire community would agree breaks the common sense rules.

I kind of thought having to go through all the levels to get to level 2,3,4,5 were in part keeping the LDON population down.

Now that they're insta-portable... any thoughts?

I dont think this will in anyway increase the population. If anything it will decrease the population.

I doubt there were very many people who didnt go to LDON becasue they would have to fight through a few levels first.

However, I think this could actually lead to a slight decrease in the population in some levels as people will spend less time in LDON all togheter as they can port to the level they want, get what they need and leave.

Lol, if he did it this way there would be posts asking for double loot weekend every weekend.

General rule: just chill and wait for it to happen. You don't want to surprise and make people happy when they ask for it. Otherwise its not a surprise.

He has graced us with double loot on the past few Holdiay weekends.

So, exactly as you said here is the post for this holiday weekend.

Buy and sell of all tokens, cards, and charm upgrades are now done thru Tsukasa. Turning in 4 armor/illusion cards are still being done by this NPC as well. If you sell to this NPC (LDoN Tokens, Armor Cards, or Charm Upgrades) then all of those items that you selected will be auto sold. You don't turn in items to sell them. Only 4 of a kind to get reward is turned in.

10 pt tokens were only a link click to turn in before...

Well this may be my single favorite thing you have done!

Nothing better than clicking two links to sell ALL of your Coins and Armor cards.

I bet There wont be so many 10Pt coins rotting anymore

Trying to put words in my quote!

I had no idea - maybe if i hailed mobs more often I wouldnt have to do things the hard way.

Let us all agree - You can buy an instance and avoid the drama - Hopefully this will be the last time this is said in this one thread.

That being said - there is still a public zone that is utilized very often by multiple people. I can see the arguements for both sides of the spectrum and unfortunately I dont believe your quotation of the "Common Sense" rules really applies. What you feel is common sense because you have experienced the previous debates and saw the masses agree with your point of view - doesnt make it common sense for somebody who is just entering tacvi and didnt think they would have to scour the forums for any rules that might be specific to that zone and burried under countless more recent threads.

It seems like a very sensible common sense idea to share the zone with another group by alternating bosses (in the order they were meant to be killed). With perhaps the frist group getting first crack at Tunat. After all, they all drop the same loot.

However, I do believe it is a jerk move for a superior group to kill 5 bosses while the first group is still working on that bastard who respawns 3 times when its least convenient for you! (this is actually what I did but in a non-jerk fashion).

Which brings me back to the Original Point of the thread (which I will continue to say in each post to remind everyone that this wasnt inteded to be a debate of the rules or how stupid people are). If its the current standing rule that can only be found by diggging in the forums - I would like to see it added to the Rules Post.

This leap frogging thing is such a pita, what happened to common curtesy? This happens in all public zones. How would you address such a thing? I am not sure Hunter has time to enforce this transgressions so griefing is starting to run rampant. I stick to instances to avoid just this thing, with the exception of ldon but it gets expensive for sure.

This wouldnt be too tough to enforce if it was a black and white rule. Once its black and white all people need to do is run fraps and turn it in - bingo bango BAN!

By the way I wanted to be clear that I was the one leap frogging.

Thats the wrong fucking attitude to have.
DO NOT LEAP FROG TACVI.
Its been declared in the past.
Instanced zones are very nice to have, I use the holy crud out of them but no one should be forced to use a instance to avoid some ass clown that has no respect for the rules.
I could rant more but I wont.

Which brings us back to the purpose of the post - If this past declaration is still supposed to bind the community's actions than I have asked that it be added to the Official Rules post.

Really this wasnt a post for debate - more of asking Hunter for Clarification and validation.

Edit: Crab - I dont have the bankroll for that idea :O

It wont be long before im in T3/T4 land and will have to drop 200k a weekend.

I actually did have my own instance - Iv been farming Tacvi for this entire weekend looking for 2 Plate Bracers - ive come up dry on about 10 runs.

So when i go to do tacvi i look to see if Public is up so i can have more chances to get my damned bracers.

I agree with you guys that you should buy instances and avoid any drama but unfortunately i would rather get my bracers faster

Buy and sell of all tokens, cards, and charm upgrades are now done thru Tsukasa. Turning in 4 armor/illusion cards are still being done by this NPC as well. If you sell to this NPC (LDoN Tokens, Armor Cards, or Charm Upgrades) then all of those items that you selected will be auto sold. You don't turn in items to sell them. Only 4 of a kind to get reward is turned in.

Well this may be my single favorite thing you have done!

Nothing better than clicking two links to sell ALL of your Coins and Armor cards.

I bet There wont be so many 10Pt coins rotting anymore

I know that ignoring everything else on the forums and only looking at the rules that Tacvi leap Froging would be alright. However, there were some additional posts where i believe hunter had declared the entire zone goes to the person who engages the first boss.

Hunter - If this is how you still feel today Would you mind putting a sentence in the Section right after leap frogging that it doesnt apply to tacvi.

I know you are working to revamp Tacvi so it may change in a matter of week(s). However, it would be real quick to edit and re-edit the post after the revamp and may save some headaches.

Good work avoiding the Tumbleweed.

Paid by the mile.

Hes a sponsered Marathon Runner

fuck the box that pops up. Straight up #kick people
If you are camping items with several characters learn to tab over and move the fuck around.

Getting a bit worked up about this huh?

I can only assume you are referenceing the afk script in LDON since your statement wouldnt really apply anywhere else (although sometimes i have camped the aug pool on multiple characters)

In Reference to LDON - the way i see it is:

The script was put in to fix the fact people were afk killing mobs for points in LDON which could be considered the temporary fix seeing as a permanant solution was put in place with the coins. Since the permanant solution has been in play (for quite awhile) why not remove the temporary fix that serves no real purpose anymore?

Speaking as someone who already knows how to tab and move characters - I would like to see the script removed as it is annoying and serves no real purpose.