As of 12:30ish EST I attempted to log in and get a cannot connect error.  I went to the EQEMU website to check server status... that site's also down.  I'm guessing they are hosted through the same isp?  Damn, I hope this isn't a long outage.

[End Result]

- Non-boxers will no longer be able to get help in Qvic/LDoN except by random chance from a helpful stranger/guildy. They will be stuck at 1.5 or 2.0 until people start focusing on grouping in the early tiers (in the meantime, we'll see a lot of people quit instead of wait for this shift.)

Oh wait, you mean people will have to interact with one another and join together to accomplish what they could not do alone? What a concept!

Seriously I think the whole 'buy Qvic progression' system is a hobble around the neck of the community on this server. No one groups before Tacvi huh? GEE I WONDER WHY...

Make Items Drop From More Mobs In Unused Zones
- Spreads the camping out to account for higher population
- Can give some population to currently empty zones
- Gives no specific advantage or disadvantage to any one section of the population
- Becomes a measurable and controllable increase in droprate so as not to trivialize or over-flood the server with supposed-to-be-semi-rare drops. Which is what instancing does.
- Does not disrupt trade/run farmers
- Is expandable to a 3rd or 4th mob if the need arises
- Doesn't require you to be rich or multibox or anything
- End Result: All players get equal global droprate improvement, no specific advantage to one- or multi-boxers without breaking rules (multi-boxers hold both camps with their characters,) no disruption to the "economy" of the server, apart from a measured increase in drops.

In case you couldn't tell, I prefer the latter option

This could work maybe... If you add at least a couple camps per item. Or better yet make it a random drop of a specific mob type in the unused zones so that it becomes impossible to 'permacamp' anything.  If this is the route you go I'd suggest making them lore as well, chose mobs that aren't trainable or spawn mixed with a lot of other mobs to prevent mass killing for farming purposes. Uncommon but not rare mobs with a very rare drop would be perfect, something like the griffins in NK with a drop rate that will end up making it take about the same time as the average cap in lGuk as the item it's replacing... Making them lore would help this a little but since there's no limit to boxes it's still possible, just more of a hassle for the farmers, which in turn deters them from ruining it for the rest of us.  Of all the options available I think this one is the best, You've convinced me Razormaw.

Making these no drop would just suck, the people camping lguk the most are the noobs NOT higher ends. How many of these noobs are even at the current part where they must do fg/cg for progression. True noobs dont even make it past 1.5's. People asking for the no drop items will only bite ya in the ass later on. What happens when you want to create an alt and your all uber. You will want to do qvic runs for the quick set. Don't make this epic quest a pain in the ass. Makes me sad these wow fuckers want to crap up eq.

With all that filth coming off of your tongue I'm surprised you can stand the taste of it.

What happens when I want an alt in the cg/fg? I camp the items, like you're supposed to.   What if I want qvic runs? I get friends to run it (with your attitude that might not be an option) or I box it myself.  The reason this camp is a pain is not because you have to wait on your own drop, but on everyone and their brother camping in front of you, not for their own items, but for items to trade.  No drop solves this problem.

I vote no drop.  As someone who just started a week ago and has zero of my 7 toons in CG/FG simply because lGuk is so overcamped.  It's intimidating to want a to try and obtain the only thing everyone on the server is after (whether they need it or not!).   When I zone into lGuk and see 15 people in the zone, my usual response is "Screw this!" /click newbie trinket. 

For the people saying CG/FG camping to trade for Qvic runs is essential to progress... No it's not.  Paying someone to gear you up in gear you in stuff far ahead of what you would get by grouping/boxing your way up is BYPASSING progression. If the items became no-drop then you might actually have to GROUP or maybe even (OMG WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT!?!) join a guild to get gear that's too difficult or time consuming to get solo/boxed.

I can understand wanting an economy on the server, but seriously at what cost? 

Surely there are other ways of getting tradeable valuable items introduced.   Maybe rare drops throughout progression zones that have some kind of benefit for leveling/roa?  Like the XP potions or something that they used to give you for buying a new expansion, except tradeable.   High level people doing ROA would find those much more valuable than FG/CG crap, especially now that they can just pay 100k and have an instance all to themselves...

30 minutes?  Bosses there are 30 mins respawn, there's a very good chance 2 or more of them will have PH up when the zone is created

Hunter has already said in another thread that the instance will not port you out when the timer is up, you can stay until you get what you need. I believe you just can't leave and come back after the timer expires.

Lots of joke suggestions in this thread so I thought I'd throw in some serious ones:

SK dot: Flesh Rot

Chanter twitch: Mind Gift

Bard regen: Crab's Convalescent Cantata

Oh wait that's a joke one too...

Chorus of Rebirth (only if it's really powerful regen, otherwise Chorus of Renewal or Restoration) 

I'd suggest a test of the exploit by Hunter or Secrets, find out in detail how it works, then enable charm for a single instanced zone (if that's even possible). If the dupe is fixed, let's get charm back in! My enchanter just hit 70, and my bard would LOVE to swarm kite in plane of nightmare like I used to back in the day, for nostalgia and an insanely fast trip from 51-65.

I imagine its kinda where the thread was heading "my warrior cant hold aggro on all the Qvic mobs im trying to pull.." or something like that, "lets add a small hate AoE proc to the lvl 3 anger aug"

Believe me when I say this, that was the LAST thing on my mind. As I said I'm just getting started here, and my 3 box can barely handle trash in time (although oddly the bosses are much easier than the trash for me) on account of my warrior only being at about 13k hp fully buffed... I'd die in no time flat to more than a single qvic mob, and probably oom my cleric keeping up with the damage from just one!

I'm just starting out at 70 and my rogue is better geared than my warrior, so I have problems holding agro off  him.  I'm farming out time at the moment and have a 1.5, working on a second (my cleric's 1.5 is a higher priority though...).  I know there are anger augs that drop in Qvic, but I'm a long way from 3 boxing that...  Anyone know of an easier to obtain hate augment?

I can confirm this, pet's don't seem to keep buffs when traveling from zone to zone. If I put my pet proc spell on in nexus then zone to fight, he doesn't proc at all.  If recast it in the zone I'm fighting in, it works fine.  I suspect all other pet buffs are the same (my pet FEELS like it attacks slower if I cast pet haste in nexus, ect.)