EZ Server

This being rants and flames i thought i would give my opinion (as a returning player) on the amount of time and effort (or plat) needed to get the 4.0 epic.

I found out today what it takes to spawn the 4.0 boss (not going to list items or amounts ..No spoilers here) and i have to say I think it is completely ridiculous. I cant say much else without giving stuff about the quest away but I for one will not ever be getting my 4.0 epic for my Mage and truthfully i don't think it could be good enough to make me put in that much effort.

I know this is hunters playground and we all just play here but a quest for a important item like a 4.0 epic shouldn't be almost impossible to do unless you have massive time to sink or a massive amount of plat to give to someone else to farm them for you. Please rethink this quest line, as it stands now 90% of the server wont ever be able to get their 4.0 and that is just sad for a epic quest.

Ok putting on +fire resist armor flame away in response

Grindle

One thing to remember is that a 4.0 completely trivializes all content in the game prior to t3/t4 and even t3/t4 is made vastly easier (see my post about duoing a t3 boss). The 4.0 is not designed to be for all players much like the ultimate charm. It's designed only for people that are fighting top end content, if everyone on the server had 4.0's or even a fraction of the players that have 3.0 the server would be broken, badly. That's the simple truth behind why no one wants to see 4.0's flood the game in general tier population.

I respectfully disagree, somewhat.
The 4.0 doesnt trivialize the game anymore than the 3.0 did to the ones under it.
I too believe its unfair to put content in the game that is absolutely unobtainable to most of the server. The UC is not like the 4.0 as you can obtain it with a single group if you wanted to put the effort forth.

I would like to see something like possible 3.5's that would make obtaining the 4.0's with a single group possible.

Your comments about the server being broken badly is no different than when before the 4.0's came out.

For the record, i box 2 groups and we are just progressing through Plane of Air now.
Seeing 1 or 1000 4.0's in the game means nothing to me personally.
I would prefer seeing more players enjoying obtaining their 4.0's than currently allowed.

For the record you are wrong on almost all counts between the two posts. How do you know what is possible unless you try - have you personally fought that fight?

How do you know what it does to content unless you have a group with them?

I've done all of these things, I speak from knowing what it does to content, and knowing what the fight has been like in every incarnation it has had so far which are many.

The 3.0 did not trivialize the content to the degree that a group of 4.0's does, it isn't even close. Furthermore there is no one not allowing people to get the 4.0, as far as I know, if you haven't tried spawning it, then you aren't being blocked by anyone else other than yourself - so what's your excuse?

Let me make this super clear: I'd rather there were no 4.0's in the game that's how badly I think they break the game. If I thought I could get them removed I would - some of them are truly that broken.

Im not debating what you have done or the fact that i haven't done the 4.0 fight is irrelevant to the post.

These are the comments stressed.
Did the 3.0 trivilize obtaining the epics underneath it. Yes.
Does the 4.0 require at least 3 groups for most of the server to obtain. Yes.
Is the 4.0 unobtainable to most of the server who do not have access to multiple groups. Yes.
Is this different the progression of the epics prior too? Yes.

No offence, but your knowledge of the 4.0 fight or how these items trivialize the game is not what is in question here.


So I am not sure where you believe I am wrong.

Fact is this.
I dont see the relevance of keeping items unobtainable to most players is so important on a server like EZ.
Yes, there should be content to get to.
Yes, there should be a challenge.
But, there is a significant difference between "challenge" and "sorry, you need to make more toons".

Ieawenpo, I'm not sure why you are disagreeing with something that is a fact.

Point by point:

Did the 3.0 trivialize t2 = No
Does the 4.0 trivialize all content on the server = yes including t3/t4 epic 4.

Does the 4.0 require at least 3 groups for most of the server to obtain. - No (as far as I know no one that has gotten one has required 3 groups to do so - while some may use 3 groups it simply isn't required)

Is the 4.0 unobtainable to most of the server who do not have access to multiple groups. Yes - unless you have help from others which is likely true for most progressing to 3.0 also

Is this different the progression of the epics prior too? Not much different - but substantially more powerful than any other epic in the past see the point that it trivializes ALL content of all tiers.

I'm afraid my knowledge of the fight is the crux here, you speak as if it can't be done outside of 3 groups, but again you haven't tried it have you, so how do you know that point - that's where I say your opinions aren't based upon fact. You can't make a statement like it requires 3 groups if you haven't tried it to see that.

As much as I'd hate to see HoHA clogged up, there are four or five guilds on this server that could do the 4.0 boss.  That only two have bothered to spawn it is immaterial.  Farm up four purples, be prepared to lose the first three.  By the fourth I am sure that FP and BoH will have downed The MCP.

Did you believe all items in live should be obtainable by all? That's ridiculous btw, in eq there is always a group that sets the goals and achieves the loot far ahead of the rest of the server. That's what uber guilds were all about, did others eventually get the same loot - yes but often an expansion or two behind. To expect the entire server to have the top tier of gear available is pure sillyness.

Except for SoD crab. That expansion was so easy that tons of guilds beat that expansion before uf came out. Didn't have to be such an uber guild to beat that.

New forum rule.  Don't post in this thread unless you've spawned The MCP. I will go one further.  I will be on Jujitsu this evening.  Any officer from RoL, BoH or FP can contact me.  I will spawn one MCP so yall can see the fight.

You are way nicer than me to give up a stone for people that can't be bothered to do it for themselves and then want to tell everyone how hard the fight they never bothered to try is... Yes I'm crabby  ;D

I would like to take you up on that offer sometime Yellowbird, if anything, just to watch it go down.

Although I have not spawned MCP I do think I can offer some input as I have been in the top guild on this server at one point. The same thing has been said about every new expansion of content. When I first started this server everyone said that it was impossible to get your 3.0 unless you were in OOS. Then it was impossible for the longest time for anyone to get into t1 gear. Granted part of that was the design of the zone, I saw plenty come up there to try, and get utterly destroyed. Fact is people are moving through PoA tons faster than anyone ever moved through Anguish. How long was Anguish and PoD been out? A year from now the same things will be said about 5.0's.

LoL

Not missing the point here? The post was about the massive jump between 3.0 and 4.0 not who has spawned it. I personally gave up because I can box one grp but dont have the ability to play 3 groups nor the computer equipment. What you are saying is this event should only be open to people with 20+ chars or a large guild event, on a server with not to many large guilds.

p.s telling folk you cant post in rants on a public forum, your a penis no?... go on, sure you are!

Well whos spawning it = Crab and FoH.
Whos talking shit about it? Almost every one else.

See this is the part that gets me, what massive jump - if you haven't tried it how do you know there is a massive jump? How do you know 1 group isn't enough. The first time I killed this mob I did it with 13 toons, could i Have done it with less - easily. How few can you kill this mob with, I'd rather not say, let people learn it on their own. I however did spend months and months gearing my toons to where the main tank was full t4 and almost every other toon was close also - if you don't want to put in that kind of time, that's on you, but the top gear on the server doesn't come without effort.

But anyone that complains about the jump without trying the mob or the requirements without trying it, doesn't know what they are talking about. They aren't expressing a valid opinion because you have to at least try the fight for it to be valid - they are just repeating an assumption they have which isn't really based upon fact. What you are saying is wrong - that isn't an opinion it's the truth. There isn't the level jump you are describing if you spend the time gearing your toons and testing the fight till you understand it.

I just wanted to say i never said the fight was hard or anything of the sort the part i was talking about was the large amount of farming that is required to do the quest i dont have the time or truly the inclination to do  that much farming and i do realise that is entrirely my choice. I work hard all week at more than one job and i personally dont want to come into the game i use as a relaxation and have to farm for days and days for one encounter.

I just wanted to say i know nothing of the encounter at all i have never seen it and know nothing of the mobs or tactics involved and everyone  flaming this quest because of the final encounter really shouldnt be saying anything unless you have fought the final boss and can speak from experience.

Sorry if this is taken out of context but, Crab, I could have sworn that you said it was a massive jump, yourself.

PS, do you have to smoke cigarettes yourself, to say they're bad for you? No. But The logic you're touting suggests as much.

Not quite, difference is scientific studies on cigs show that information. The only people to kill the 4.0 are not making the claims that people are wildly throwing around. They are throwing around information that has no basis on anyone attempting let alone killing - see the difference? Science (aka people that have spawned/tried/killed versus magic (people that haven't even spawned making contentions about what it will take to kill it)

You guys are focusing more on the fact that we have yet to spawn the 4.0 so we cannot comment on it.
Excuse me but you should probably leave your e-egos at the door.

We are not idiots, we know that it is unnaccessable to most of the player base because we see what goes on.
We see the first forum posts that the 4.0 was completed by 3 groups.
We see the effects of the 4.0 by watching a group of 5 players clear HoH trash on a daily basis like it was crushbone.

We dont need to have a full group of 4.0's to know that it trivializes the rest of the content because you guys said it yourself.

The POINT of this thread was not who killed the mob, who spawned it or who has a bigger cock.
The point is SOME of us do not believe we should have content in the game that is unnacceable to all within reason.
And the 4.0 IS that.
Regardless of the fact that I have yet to spawn the stupid mob or even fought the fight is irrelevant. If it took the 3 top groups on the server to obtain it and it still takes 2 VERY well outfitted groups with 4.0's to do it with difficulty, then that pretty much tells it all.

This first kill was me - by myself, and it was done with 13 (1 player over 2 groups) could I have done it with less - yes much less... So I do know what it took to kill it the first time, it's not the fight you make it out to be.

And your later item regarding 2 groups is again not based in fact, some people may use 2 groups with 4.0's but to assume that's what is needed is foolish. It can be done with far far less - again if you try, you'll know this.

And again this is eq - the top level content is always inaccessible to the entire server for a while - generally until new content opens up. That's how eq works and has always worked, if everyone only fought top level content what would be the point? What would the whole server do then. Anyone that wants to work towards it, can get there and much quicker then you think...

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Im done, Crab won.

Out of curiosity, how much less do you think you could have done it with? Currently I can box up to 12, and I'm slowly gearing my characters higher up there and am wondering how many you think would be the bare minimum with reasonable gear spread among all the characters. Just to know if I could cut a few members for the time being a focus on a different set amount, say 10 or so.

Thats me on the left btw.

Crab walks into Plane of Air and Hails the epic 4.0 mob and he shits out a loot.
Thats how easy it is.

I'd rather not say how few it can be done with :) It's a spoiler and it's better to let people learn it on their own. I don't think you'll have any trouble if you gear your crew up.

Remember the first kills of Epic 3 weren't done with small groups either :) It's just the way it works - it gets easier as gear trickles down. This is how eq and ez has always worked. In fact I'd say it's gotten easier to get 4.0 then it used to be to get earlier epic's at the beginning and it will continue to get much much easier as people gear up.

Fair enough, I'm sure I'll end up giving it multiple tries when I feel fit, as I did with the 3.0's... Although it's not as easy as pulling a placeholder :D

As likely as I am to have rocks thrown at my head for saying it I kind of agree with Crab.

This is an EQ Emu and one of the nostalgia aspects of the game was long grinds to get things other people didn't have. When I played on live I was in the top end of the server. My guild was the 2nd to kill AoW, Emp Ssra, Rathe Council, and Quarm and on the server. We put in a lot of hard work/time to get those kills when we did. It would have been disappointing to have them be trivalized so soon afterwards.

On and off through several MMOs I have been a hardcore player and sometimes not. In either case I do like getting good gear but I can still appreciate people who spend more time on the game getting better stuff. Even though sometimes I will bitch about the level of work to get it.

I remember when 3.0s where kind of rare. Now I see people bitching that they don't have them after playing for like a week. I also see people training the LDoNs with their 3.0s with no respect for other players. I suspect part of the cause of this is people not having had to put in much work to get to that point and in a sense being spoiled.

I really would not want to see 4.0s so rampantly widespread as a I see 3.0s now.  I do bet though when more content gets added they will in effect be more accessible because of more powerful players assisting others.

well i'm sure there will be a lot of 4.0s out there if FoH and crabs keep selling them..
10 mil plat
that would probably take me about 10 days to get if i tried

i'll have to take a peek into what you guys are doing to farm.

I never have more than ~50k to my name from farming. /shrug.

I dont think the manor in which someone gets their 3.0 has much to do with their training LDON with complete disregard.

How they obtained it does have an effect on the game as its a vested interest in keeping the item.
This is actually why we face so much BS on the server with influx of new personalities as there is no risk for them.
Do you think players like iHug or xxx would act like such idiots if they had 6 or 12 months invested into gear?

They act like idiots because they have the attitude "go ahead and ban my 3.0 warrior, i can reroll one and be right back at it in a week".

I don't know if that's necessarily true. If they're spending RL money $$, i would think they are MORE careful to not get banned. But I could be wrong.

Iea basically summed up the point I was making. I know it kind of goes off on a tangent from the thread but it's just something I consider related to the difficulty of obtaining items.

I don't really know enough about the 4.0 process to comment on it's level of difficulty. But I also know that I would not like to see an overload of Ihugs mowing down the server and not taking anything seriously.  I understand it's a game but people also invest their rl time into it.

Wow, you really have no idea what you are talking about. If I were you I would just move along and hope like hell everyone forgets your involvement in this post.

Hey now, lets not be so vulgar here ok.

Must you continue to troll from lack of something better to do?

You cant stop trolling can you?
Even after being warned repeatedly.

How about everyone just ignore budz's comments. He already stated in another post that he gets bored when no one responds. If you don't engage in his discourse, he hopefully will stop trolling because he gets no feedback or because he kind find other forums that will pay attention to him.

pillow-pants

I just asked you to not be so vulgar. So if you think that is trolling, do you even know what it means?

Yeah I have been having problems with server bandwith for the last few weeks during the evenings.  It seems to get hairy at around the 460 population mark, so much so that I've given up my time playing during the late afternoons and evenings.  Well I also have been having problems with my laptop, its starting to die me thinks.