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So in game the other day I was having a conversation in OOC with someone about Charm value in different classes.  Most all classes find value in a sorcerer charm and unfortunately due to their current state the Rogue epics do not get a value from this type of charm (I only have up to 3.5 but it didn't seem to change based on what others were saying). 

I wanted to open up some conversation about how to improve this epic.  Quite frankly I love playing my rogue and the Daggerfall click is awesome for some serious damage output, but it doesn't even out with other class epics and mainly considering those of DPS classes.

One proposition which follows lore and could be a helpful addition would be adding a poison based DD proc to the epics.  Many other epics have a clickable and proc'ed effect so I propose we look into something like this for the rogue epic as well.

Anyone agree or disagree?  This would make sorcerers charms a viable option for rogues (who don't have UC) and help make them more useful (i think) further into progression.

Thoughts?

[Venia]

the reason sorc charms are attractive to melee dps is due to strike augs, not the epic weapon it self... your sorc/uc will boost your dps once you aug your weapons.

[Xiggie | Stone]

Rogue epic with augs is as much as monk dps with augs no matter the charm.

[hateborne]

Xiggie lies. He's the man trying the hold the rogues down. Admit it!

*snicker*

-Hate

[Xiggie | Stone]

Lmao, on a side note, rogues do have the best melee dps in the game and though I am not sure they might out dps monks.

[Blurring]

Some dummy parses for ya:

Rogue
Primary: 5.0 1xNS7 2xIS7
Seconday: 5.0 1xNS7 2xIS6
Fight: Practice Dummy (44.8 minutes), Buffs: None
DPS: 115,636 (84% from proc, 11.5% from backstab, 4.5% from pierce)

Monk
Primary: 5.0 1xNS7 2xIS7
Seconday: 5.0 1xNS7 2xIS6
Fight: Practice Dummy (44.6m), Buffs: Crab-Fu
DPS: 119,508 (78.1% from proc, 21.9% from punch)

[hateborne]

Some dummy parses for ya:

Rogue
Primary: 5.0 1xNS7 2xIS7
Seconday: 5.0 1xNS7 2xIS6
Fight: Practice Dummy (44.8 minutes), Buffs: None
DPS: 115,636 (84% from proc, 11.5% from backstab, 4.5% from pierce)

Monk
Primary: 5.0 1xNS7 2xIS7
Seconday: 5.0 1xNS7 2xIS6
Fight: Practice Dummy (44.6m), Buffs: Crab-Fu
DPS: 119,508 (78.1% from proc, 21.9% from punch)

:-O

I KNEW IT! XIGGIE IS HOLDING DOWN THE ROGUES! LOOK AT THAT DPS DIFFERENCE!

-Hate

[Xiggie | Stone]

Wow, I thought rogues would get a better % of dps out of melee than monks. I don't have a UC'd rogue so it was a guesstimate though.

[Drezden]

Some dummy parses for ya:

Rogue
Primary: 5.0 1xNS7 2xIS7
Seconday: 5.0 1xNS7 2xIS6
Fight: Practice Dummy (44.8 minutes), Buffs: None
DPS: 115,636 (84% from proc, 11.5% from backstab, 4.5% from pierce)

Monk
Primary: 5.0 1xNS7 2xIS7
Seconday: 5.0 1xNS7 2xIS6
Fight: Practice Dummy (44.6m), Buffs: Crab-Fu
DPS: 119,508 (78.1% from proc, 21.9% from punch)

Using epic click on rogue?

[Blurring]

Yup. Can't say it was perfect the entire time but reasonably close.

[Drezden]

dern I figured with click rogue would do much better.

[lerxst2112]

I call shenanigans!  Where's the awesome flying kick damage?

[Hunter]

But Rogues get other abilities, such as hide, and lock pick. Lets see a Monk get through some doors like in Old Seb.

[Blurring]

I call shenanigans!  Where's the awesome flying kick damage?

/sigh give me 30 mins..

[Blurring]

Monk DPS by type: 77.1% proc, 22.8% punch, .2% kick over 8.3m
223 dps well worth the 100k ripostes

Double checked the rogue results as well over 17 minutes with perfect epic clicking, DPS % accurate to .1%

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