Allizia
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« on: May 15, 2010, 10:51:07 pm » |
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I just ran a few 10 minutes parses with my rogue and wanted to share the results:
The setup:
Rogue is full T2 with a few T3 items using 3.0's with mossy stone V and black diamond of regeneration on each. She was stripped of all buffs and standing in the exact same spot for both logs. I used the dummy in chambersb and did not use daggerfall or any discs. Auto attack and backstab only
Base using no charm:
DPS: 2823.2
Crit %: 12.5
Using rank 21 brawlers charm:
DPS: 3293
Crit %: 13.1
I would also like to comment on the general lack of DPS the rogue class can offer. I brought my warrior in just to see the difference and it was extreme. I am fairly certain rangers and some pet classes can match this, but I do not have any to parse:
Full T2 warrior with some T3, stripped of all buffs using 3.0's with anger IV and rank 41 sorcerer charm with autoattack only:
DPS: 7970
Crit %: 9.4
Discuss!
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Allizia
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2010, 11:08:20 pm » |
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Would like to note that I love my rogue and my wizard regardless of how useless they are =P Would just like to see rogues and the brawlers charm brought up to par with other charms/classes
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Xiggie | Stone
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2010, 11:40:18 pm » |
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What parser do you use. I would like to try my monk and mage to see how those numbers stack up.
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Uxt
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2010, 11:48:54 pm » |
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Pffft. You parsed MY dps too! What was it... 1120? Every other class had over 5000 or something. At that rate, I'd be better off getting a sorcer's charm to 50 and spam-clicking guide bolt! (T2 legs is a nuke if nobody gets it)
Did you do any backstabs or something? I thought rogues could do 40k or 120k backstabs or something insane.
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Allizia
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2010, 06:53:01 am » |
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Was using Gamparse
Uxt, I parsed you in PoG though and there are tons of other factors there ^.^
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Crabthewall
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2010, 07:44:11 am » |
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In all fairness though you are comparing a much higher level charm and not using backstab etc to even out your damage. Using abilities that are part of your class needs to be part of your DPS parse. You would need to compare with a 41 brawlers charm and using your disciplines to see how the dps comes out by comparison.
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Allizia
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2010, 08:28:31 am » |
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I was using backstab, just not daggerfall which is a backstab modifier. Daggerfall has a cast time and can lower my dps as often as it raises it
I will test again once I have 41 brawlers which should only be a few days
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Thyl
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2010, 10:34:12 am » |
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If you use daggerfall between backstabs you are only missing some not too significant white damage.
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Allizia
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2010, 11:39:11 am » |
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The point is being missed entirely, I wanted to keep variables down to a minimum for parsing.
The brawlers charm shows an approximate 5% increase to dps per focus level (likely due to the haste or attack rating), in comparison to 50% per focus level of other charms. There is no alternative for melee dps since they have no augs or procs that can be affected in any significant manner by sorcerer (75 dmg diamond is the best I know of)
I parsed a realistic scenario using discs and daggerfall today on The Tranquil in T3:
Both rogues, one with 38 brawler and one with 21 brawler scored under 4k dps using all disciplines and clickies they have available. The rogue with 38 brawler had 53 more dps then the 21.
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Gnaughty
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2010, 12:11:15 pm » |
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Thanks for testing it, I love my rogue Cutterr, though I know there has been a drastic difference in dps in comparison to my monks. I played a rogue on live back in the day and wish they had the power here that they had back then.
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Allizia
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2010, 12:16:40 pm » |
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The log on The Tranquil (the monk and rangers had much higher dps then this shows, they were out of range for me to get a good read on anything but criticals):
Warrior with 41 sorc charm:
DPS: 6952
Crit%: 11.3
Rogue1 with 38 Brawler charm:
DPS: 3742
Crit%: 15.4%
Rogue2 with 21 Brawler charm:
DPS: 3699
Crit%: 14.8%
Monk with 10 Guardian charm:
DPS: 3543
Crit%: 49.6% (I was out of range for most of the normal damage)
Ranger 1 with rank 1 brawler charm:
DPS: 3556
Crit%: 76.8 (I was out of ranger for most of the normal damage)
Ranger 2 with rank 2 brawler charm:
DPS: 2719
Crit%: 70.7 (Out of range and he was stuck behind a hill and couldn't shoot for a minute)
Fight lasted 21 minutes
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Xiggie | Stone
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2010, 01:11:52 pm » |
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I used the test dummy in chambersb for testing purposes since it is accessible by everyone. I also did it without any outside buffs so there was an even playing ground. I tested my monk, my rogue and my mage. The fights were all 5 minutes long and I only tested one toon at a time. I did not use any non-repeatable disc. If it wasn't a disc I could use over and over again I didn't use it since it would not properly show the dps achievable in every fight. Specifically I did not use inner flame on the monk but I did use his flying kick and dragon fang, I used daggerfall disc and the daggerfall right click on the rogue. The mage pet I used elemental fury and earthern strength since they are self buffs that are not on a timer. I did not use the Ldon bp click for the pet since it is timer limited and would not be able to be used in every fight.
As an added note I used the practice dummy so my numbers are inherently different from Allizia since he tested in T3. As you can see the rogue is already out dps'ing the monk even though his charm is lvl 10 however it is conditional on being on the mobs backside.
Monk (25 brawlers charm)
Total Dmg: 1220694
Time: 304 seconds
Dps: 4015
Hits: 1601
Max: 2073
Average: 762
Rogue (10 brawlers charm)
Total Dmg: 1216915
Time: 300
Dps: 4056
Hits: 999
Max: 40242
Average: 1218
Mage (pet cast with boots from ldon, elemental fury and earthern strength)
Total Dmg: 1627823
Time: 302
Dps: 5390
Hits: 1173
Max: 3108
Average: 1387
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Allizia
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2010, 01:34:17 pm » |
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Test the rogue and monk again without brawlers charms xiggie, would like to see the results
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Allizia
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2010, 01:36:15 pm » |
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You also had a max daggerfall backstab crit which is rare, try it over a 10 minute period instead
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qualin
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2010, 01:39:22 pm » |
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Send me a tell in game and I'll come let ya parse me to have a ranger for testing. I have a brawlers lvl 11, and am maxed out T2 gear / arrow / quiver / mossy tundra stone.
Char name is Qualin.
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