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Question: What should we do about Ihug?
Nothing - He's a great asset to our community
Suspend - At least before banning him
Ban - He's had enough warning, time for ban

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« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2010, 06:58:11 pm »
Quote from: jason1171 on July 29, 2010, 03:30:26 pm
see what i dont get is many of you are saying ban ihug for being rude and ur sitting here talkign shit about him. very nice way of being a hypocrit

This might be a valid arguement if people were actually wanting to ban him for being rude instead of breaking multiple server rules.

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« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2010, 07:12:50 pm »
Quote from: jason1171 on July 29, 2010, 04:28:42 pm
gnaughty do u have any Screenshots of ihug "Cussing out" ur guild?

It was me that he was cussing out the other night and yes I do have the SS's of the convorsation that went to hunter. So gnaughty isn't lying... nice try jason
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« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2010, 09:13:30 pm »
send me the screenshots then buddy (: i AM ihug, and i have never cussed anyone out for not getting me a 4.0
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« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2010, 09:50:52 pm »
In the time I have spent with Ihug I have found him to be a driven player.  I have spoken with Ihug and demoted him from Officer status with one last chance before I boot him from the guild all because of this issue.  He has helped alot of people, not the ones that are complaining I take it but quite a few.  Many of the people he has helped probably don't have an account on this forumn.  I have also whitnessed first hand alot of bad behavior on the server but usually dismiss it and move on.  I think Ihug just needs a little guidance and maybe even a suspension if there is any evidence.  I have not seen anything, I just hear what other people have heard.  Regardless of what I say, he will probably be banned and have to start over maybe the wiser but I think he deserves another chance.
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« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2010, 09:55:25 pm »
When 70% of the voters want to ban you,  I think it's pretty clear what people think of you.

I've had highly negative dealings with you also in airplane for example, and claiming you are stoned to excuse your behavior carries no weight with me. Furthermore creating a secret account on the forums and commenting on this issue as a third party without making it clear who you are from the get go is disingenuous at best.

You've earned the ban when/if it comes.
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« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2010, 10:09:11 pm »
I voted for suspension, because i have only seen some of his problems the other day. Havent had any personal issues.. So basicly in my mind this guy's an ass but doesnt deserve the ban quite yet. Just imo. Im sure others have seen worse..
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« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2010, 12:51:07 am »
Its just sad that even with /ooc turned off so I never see it, I hear about him causing issues and crashing zones.

Damn LDON trolls calm the hell down and learn to share.
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« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2010, 02:28:55 am »
Lol this is the guy who came into my Balrog camp, stood on the spawn point and says "killing again"... That's it, like like I'm supposed to figure out what he means... I say "yes I'm killing him again if that's what you mean" and literally as I hit enter the boss spawns AND HE ATTACKS IT... I'm like "wtf are you doing" and he just says "it hit me"..   Well DURR fuckin HURR you stood on TOP of his spawn point, what do you expect?  I say banhammer and none too damn soon.
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« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2010, 02:38:36 am »
Ceaser has spoken:
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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2010, 02:40:51 am »
Meat you are a cool guy, you should kick him out your guild, he makes it look bad  Sad
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« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2010, 06:02:36 am »
Hi there Hunter

First time post on here - fairly new to the sever.  Great job by the way!

I thought I'd add my perspective to this debate and hopefully give some pause for thought.  I encountered iHug the other night for the first time when I was in the Nexus looking for help on a LDON run.  A character called "Steriods" was advertising in ooc that he was doing 1.5, 2.0 and 3.0 runs for a price.  I negotiated with Steriods and then was promptly invited into a group by iHug.  At the time, I figured that Steriods was a boxed minor character for iHug.  We got all the way to lvl 6 and were short 3 pages before iHug dropped out.  I then got a message from Steriods saying that iHug had crashed and did I want my money back.  I said no - but that I would like some help getting the other three pages at some point in the next day or two.  Steriods agreed to this and then logged.

Last night I logged on and iHug was in the Fighters Guild Glade.  I messaged him and asked when he thought we might be able to do the other three pages.  At this point the conversation became strange.  The person operating iHug had no memory of me from the previous night - nor of doing a LDON run with me.  It clicked at this point that iHug is being handled by a number of people (all with the login details of that account).   

Then, ironically, I saw Paladinsteve's ooc (about trains and crashing zones) and I came and read this thread.

From my perspective, EZ server is a strange beast in the EQ world.  iHug is simply a product of a culture that has developed on this server.  Right or wrong - we all need to take resposibility for where that culture leads.  When we box multiple toons with the intention of power leveling ourselves - we take a little piece of the heart out of the game.  It is a small piece albiet - but a piece nonetheless.  EQ was always designed with a multi-player model in mind.  While I love the idea of a soloable EQ - this fact still remains true.  Verant had always seen boxing as a form of cheating on the live.  It promotes self greed over comradary and in the end we all suffer from self absorbed players who are so focused on this concpet they sacrifice all else to achieve it.  In the end, isn't iHug just a product of this culture that has developed on the server?  To some degree, isn't there a little of iHug's narcisism in every person who focuses on boxing toons over making friends?   

I played EQ on the live for many years and made friends all over the world (some of which I have visited and have had stay at my house).  When I stopped playing EQ it was mainly because my friends stopped playing and I was off time to the rest of the server (being an Aussie player on a US server made being a member of a guild very hard).  The loss of those friends in game eventually ended my subscription and the ultimate deletion of my account.  Finding this server has been one of the greatest finds for me personally in a number of years post EQ.  I enjoy the idea of logging on and playing casually - helping people out when I can - and generally expoloring parts of EQ I was never able to see on the live.  If there is anythinig that disappoints me about the server it is, perhaps, the absence of people looking for groups.  Most are boxing alts - to the point where you zone into PoFire and see 15 - 20 alts stationary on the hill leeching xp while the main trains the zone.  It depersonalises the server to some degree - and it creates players like iHug.  It creates the idea that the toon isn't really the extension of anything and that it's just simply a means to an end.  That there aren't other people playing who perhaps see the game differently.

So should iHug be banned?

To ban him in a culture that has promoted his way of thinking is a little extreme.  Certainly a human conversation is needed in this situation.  In my dealings with the operator of the iHug toon - I found the person on the other end affabol and approachable.  To execute summary bannings on players such as iHug, to my way of thinking, would only serve as further promoition of a dehumanising culture on the server.  Surely the way forward has to be with real conversations with individuals?

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« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2010, 06:26:58 am »
Wow, don't ban him because the server created him? That was a huge post of absolute nonsense.


Picture related but I am not sure how. Yes I did totally use the same picture twice
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« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2010, 07:13:57 am »
lmao  Huh Huh Huh
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« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2010, 07:15:36 am »
I think the post by Rystan is full of shit but everyone is entitled to an opinion. Basically the owner of the account knows or should know what is going on with his or her characters.
They made the choice to share the info and they have to deal with the rep earned for that character by other players.
EQ Live is all about money, you could box 50 characters and they wouldnt care. They want the money.
Maybe the first 2 years the game was released the company fought the idea of allowing "cheats."
That type of shit was mostly aimed at forcing your windows to fullscreen and not being able to easily tab.
All that really did was make money for the companies that make paper and printer ink.
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« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2010, 07:26:55 am »
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DO NOT SHARE ACCOUNTS
Players that get banned have their accounts linked together by IP. If you allow someone to use your account and that person breaks the rules, then your account will be linked by IP and banned as well. You have been warned.


Looking at Rystan's post it looks like multiple people are playing Ihug.  I know I paid Ihug for a few tokens from qvic and Steriods was with him.  Then Steroids went LD and never came back.  I think if he is banned, we should also ban all his other accounts connected to that IP. 

Just my 2cents.
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Quote from: slaughterhaus on December 06, 2010, 01:14:32 pm
I've been watching this thread from a distance, for good reason. It's like a hornets nest full of chainsaws and salty baby tears.
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