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Title: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 02, 2013, 05:17:54 pm
Set up Overthere as a PvP zone.

Once you zone in, you'll be flagged with a red name after 30 seconds. So you'll have 30 seconds to run n hide before players are allowed to attack you.

Zoning to any other zone will turn off your pvp flag if you have one.

There is a client graphic bug that will still show red name until you zone a 2nd time, but no worries, you are non-pvp in all zones except Overthere.

Planning to add stuff to pvp zones like loot off bosses to fight over.

The zone still needs tweak, such as turning off instances and CoH.



Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 02, 2013, 05:39:53 pm
Need to make some spells lower resist like Root and Snare for pvp :)


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Teikashi on January 02, 2013, 07:22:19 pm
Sounds awesome! I can't wait to try it out and get beaten up within 15 seconds of zoning in :)


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Chunka on January 02, 2013, 07:33:06 pm
May wanna make some things neg 1K resist.....bard songs, of course....sunbeam for druids (though with Mq2 blind really wont do much). Darkness spells for SK and necros. Also may wanna consider making some item procs neg 1K resist.....kunzar kujuch, silken whip of ensnaring, willsapper, wavecrasher.....to name a few :D Will post more as I think of em.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 02, 2013, 07:34:34 pm
You won't be pvp enabled until after 30 seconds.

I've edited spell to have -1000 resist so pvp will be more interesting:

Blinding Luminance
Sunbeam
Snare
Ensnare
Clinging Darkness
Engulfing Darkness
Ensnaring Root
Engulfing Root
Root
Grasping Root
Legend of Crab Harmtouch
Gravity Flux

more to come.

Haven't decided yet on fear or charm.

Going to make an NPC in the zone maybe with 8 hour respawn that has 1 million platinum on it. So players can fight over it. Would probably have 1 Billion HP with 0 Regen and hit for only 1,000 dmg.



Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: lookin on January 02, 2013, 07:39:54 pm
Sounds awesome! I can't wait to try it out and get beaten up within 15 seconds of zoning in :)


you've got at least 30 seconds before you get beaten up since that is how long the timer is set before you become killable


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Griz on January 02, 2013, 07:56:11 pm
Anyone with a UC and Strike 6s+ is gonna one shot people, unless there is some special coding to reduce damage taken by like 75% or something haha


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Felony on January 02, 2013, 08:11:16 pm
Nah people were surviving for a few rounds.
I managed to live through 1 Ninja9 proc but the fact that he was duel wielding got me ;)
Just depends on the roll of the dice.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Griz on January 02, 2013, 08:24:53 pm
Well, I do about 500k a swing with no crits, and only have 300k hp :/


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 02, 2013, 09:18:28 pm
If I remember correctly, pvp only takes 66% spell damage.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 02, 2013, 10:08:25 pm
Need to come up with some cool pvp only gear that can be had in the pvp zone off the 1 Billion HP boss that spawns every 4 hrs.

Already created a 500k pp gem to be sold to vendor.

Maybe jewelry with T1/T2 stats + special worn/focus/click effects to help with pvp?

What clickie types would help pvp?



Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Felony on January 02, 2013, 11:08:13 pm
aoe knockback. fast cast long reuse.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: marxist on January 02, 2013, 11:32:13 pm
insta cast fade or fd


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Garete on January 02, 2013, 11:35:46 pm
I think the -1000 spell resist change.is also effecting npc cast spells.  Things I once resisted in hoh are hitting and showing -1000


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Chunka on January 02, 2013, 11:55:57 pm
Insta cast infusion of faithful (veteran AA).


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Gannicus on January 03, 2013, 12:15:48 am
Yeah, now i'm getting all kinds of new things from HOH. including being rooted from other than just Earth avatars. Kind've annoying. Might want to be looked at


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Felony on January 03, 2013, 12:53:25 am
Yeah, now i'm getting all kinds of new things from HOH. including being rooted from other than just Earth avatars. Kind've annoying. Might want to be looked at

Hunter turned back on spells for HOH. Only a few old school might remember what those did. Should be fun


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Solbash on January 03, 2013, 08:41:07 am
Yeah, now i'm getting all kinds of new things from HOH. including being rooted from other than just Earth avatars. Kind've annoying. Might want to be looked at

Hunter turned back on spells for HOH. Only a few old school might remember what those did. Should be fun

I remember those quite well....


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Garete on January 03, 2013, 10:13:40 am
With heaven slowing 95% my necro pet cant do more then one avatar from there at a time now.  Its rough lol.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 03, 2013, 12:39:25 pm
Poor Necros.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Premador on January 03, 2013, 02:12:39 pm
Here's a idea. Problem with pvp in EZ will be the huge difference from top gear toons to bottom geared toons.
Not sure if this is possible but here goes.
Make crafted gear(ie blue diamond) pvp specific. Have pvp augs that only fit that gear. And make it wearable in the pvp zone. Would lvl the playing field and so those with mad pvp skillz would rise to the top rather then just those with end game gear.
Bosses could drop augs specific to pvp(not sure what those would be)
And to make it more interesting kinda like old RZ server allow looting of money/1 armor item.



Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: hateborne on January 03, 2013, 02:37:26 pm
Here's a idea. Problem with pvp in EZ will be the huge difference from top gear toons to bottom geared toons.
Not sure if this is possible but here goes.
Make crafted gear(ie blue diamond) pvp specific. Have pvp augs that only fit that gear. And make it wearable in the pvp zone. Would lvl the playing field and so those with mad pvp skillz would rise to the top rather then just those with end game gear.
Bosses could drop augs specific to pvp(not sure what those would be)
And to make it more interesting kinda like old RZ server allow looting of money/1 armor item.

For a singular zone, it seems like a huge workload. I think the point was just to give players somewhere to crucify each other.

-Hate


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Premador on January 03, 2013, 02:58:42 pm
I figured it would probably big a ton of work, but seeing as hunter has T7 running maybe he has spare time now... ;D .... :P

J/k


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 03, 2013, 03:19:52 pm
Rather than force players to wear certain armor, and any other problems that comes with looting like losing gear, think that it'd be better to have pvp zones that have a max flagged allowed else get booted from zone. So there would be a zone for T1/T2 players, get best gear you can for that tier, etc.



Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Solbash on January 03, 2013, 05:50:23 pm
Rather than force players to wear certain armor, and any other problems that comes with looting like losing gear, think that it'd be better to have pvp zones that have a max flagged allowed else get booted from zone. So there would be a zone for T1/T2 players, get best gear you can for that tier, etc.



Pretty simple and easy solutuion. I remember back when you changed the arena to the level 1 requirement for the pvp event we did for christmas a few years ago.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: zymral on January 03, 2013, 06:17:06 pm
Personally i think that bringing pvp to the server is a very bad idea. The dps we have is just insane to try to balance around. Then you have to whole problem of multi boxers. Yes they are just better mobs but 5 wizzies will destroy anyone. I feel you are spending time on a zone where no one will go after a few weeks. I mean how do you balance a person that boxes 3 toons verse one that boxes 12. I mean thos with the utmost respect but this is a real waste of time persuing.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Felony on January 03, 2013, 06:21:11 pm
I was having fun with just a cleric!


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: lerxst2112 on January 03, 2013, 08:36:01 pm
Personally i think that bringing pvp to the server is a very bad idea.

It's not required.  If you don't enjoy it, do what you've been doing here all along and ignore that one zone.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Bobbin on January 03, 2013, 08:46:55 pm
Would be nice if there could be a NPC in Nexus to hail for countdown timer on Jewelry Collector.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 03, 2013, 10:02:21 pm
The spawn time is random 4-6 hrs, but at least he shouts to whole server when he's up.

So if 1 person makes a 12 box and everyone else is scared, then I guess that 1 person will make 500kpp every now and then from just 1 kill.

I'm sure players will find ways to adapt and over come what seems to be unfair with 12 boxers in the zone.

I currently don't know how to limit to just 1 box in the pvp zone.

The only 'balance' that I'll be doing is making spells -1000 resist.

Have players tried Levitate, Reflect, or other strategies? What about mem blur and steal the kill at 1%? I've seen people even get swarmed and shout killed from Halloween Items.

Try use AoE vs multiboxers.

I would consider pvp gear to drop, maybe something with more reflect on it, or resist, levi clickies, stun clickies, etc. Maybe AoE Mez max level 70 which wouldn't affect too many high end custom tiers. That'd really screw up a 12boxer.

If you don't enjoy pvp then don't zone in.

I think its a nice change for anyone looking for more to do, other ways for money, or wants to see who is most powerful EZ Player.



Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Natedog on January 03, 2013, 10:59:46 pm
I was able to take it down with just my wizard and paladin earlier lol ... people are afraid of my wizard


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: jamey0181 on January 04, 2013, 06:29:03 pm
hunter had mentioned clicky's might be fun for a whirl til u hurl type click from chanter's spell line


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Fugitive on January 05, 2013, 10:14:12 am
I did recently run through HoH, This PVP changes really goofs up the lower middle class players if they are trying to gimp their way thru the game. Every mob that roots will Root them always, Every mob that blinds will Blind them always. I mean ya a good spell here and there to mix it up but every mob smacking ya with something.. and I have RoA Heroic resists which are higher then normal.

These spells are cool and all... but really drives another nail into jr players just getting in on the good stuff. /meh


It's not even making it harder at all, its just having to sit there for RC to repop over and over and over and over and over


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Natedog on January 05, 2013, 10:44:18 am
Root always landed before as well.. don't think I've ever resisted the HoH root


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Fugitive on January 05, 2013, 10:46:11 am
Root always landed before as well.. don't think I've ever resisted the HoH root

Underworld / Earth every one of these mob type roots you. Don't go in there with our A team go in there with a middle level team and watch.

Skies every mob will blind you

This does nothing for difficulty it's just a nuisance for jr players just having to sit there.

This is the same as I seen in LDoN Root after root after root.


1 PVP Zone shouldn't change the dynamic of PVE in the many different other zones for players not even engaging in PVP..



Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Natedog on January 05, 2013, 10:58:45 am
Root on other mobs than Earth.. eww.... ya that does sound annoying. Also blind can be pretty annoying lol


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Adydar on January 05, 2013, 11:39:34 am
1 PVP Zone shouldn't change the dynamic of PVE in the many different other zones for players not even engaging in PVP..

This, I don't care if others PVP, I have no interest in it or I'd play a more PVP friendly game.  When PVP affects the people who are not interested in it, I believe it is a negative thing.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Garete on January 05, 2013, 12:30:55 pm
Roots and blinds are annoying but the 95% slow from heaven is painful.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Xiggie | Stone on January 05, 2013, 01:50:25 pm
Wow, and I had plans to UC a wizard and a cleric. Not even going to bother. Sounds like things just got real stupid in HOH. So are the rest of the zones going to follow suit?


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: zymral on January 05, 2013, 02:07:29 pm
Chalk potimea up for another changed zone. It has root and 30 sec blind.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Fugitive on January 05, 2013, 02:08:18 pm
Chalk potimea up for another changed zone. It has root and 30 sec blind.

/sigh


1 PVP Zone shouldn't change the dynamic of PVE in the many different other zones for players not even engaging in PVP..


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Griz on January 05, 2013, 02:26:02 pm
I killed the boss and the corpse poofed without dropping anything :(


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 05, 2013, 02:34:19 pm
PVP


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Griz on January 05, 2013, 02:39:39 pm
Also, Pets don't work too well in this zone. I was messing around and my mage's pet kept hitting my paladin/cleric, even when trying to use /pet focus.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Fugitive on January 05, 2013, 02:40:14 pm
PVP

yeah in PVP zone... but the changes are tidal waves in the PVE zones..

I know you really enjoy PvP but the core of EZ is PvE...

/meh your world though


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Strix on January 05, 2013, 02:42:45 pm
PVP
I know you really enjoy PvP but the core of EZ is PvE...

+1


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Xiggie | Stone on January 05, 2013, 02:43:10 pm
Also, Pets don't work too well in this zone. I was messing around and my mage's pet kept hitting my paladin/cleric, even when trying to use /pet focus.

Last I knew /pet focus does not work and never has worked.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Griz on January 05, 2013, 02:54:44 pm
Nevermind, I guess I killed the wrong "boss" apparently?

God this guy has a lot of HP, and he only hits for like 1k. Also, his AC is hilarious. It's funny seeing

31
31
31
240968
31
31

on my ranger. It's like Ssra Temple all over again :( My crew of 6 that can melt shadow in about 1 minute was taking his hp down by only around 4% per min


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 05, 2013, 03:35:14 pm
Grats 500k pp gem :)


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Digz on January 05, 2013, 04:34:39 pm
PVP

yeah in PVP zone... but the changes are tidal waves in the PVE zones..

I know you really enjoy PvP but the core of EZ is PvE...

/meh your world though

maybe we could just get a few new spells made that are identical to the original pvp spells that npcs seem to also have, that way they would be PC only? Im thinking thats easier said then done though...otherwise id have to agree with fugi


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Griz on January 05, 2013, 05:09:06 pm
Grats 500k pp gem :)

I was pleased that nobody came and killed me when I went afk autoattacking him to make lunch :|

I dunno, 500k pp for half an hour of a trivial act is pretty damn good compared to normal cash farming (velks or whatever) but I dunno if it's the kind of thing that would spark people to want to pvp over it, considering the chance of spending 28 minutes getting him to 5% then having someone come in and gank you. He's already balanced by his respawn time.

If you look at other games with pvp elements, usually racing for a mob in a contested zone, you aren't really strapping in for a 30 minute fight. I remember trying to kill Lord Kazzak on a pvp server in WoW (and the green dragons) and they were generally a 3ish minute fight with a high chance of wiping. I'm not sure how that kind of enviorment could be simulated here, unless there was some way to normalize everyone's stats while in the zone (like spirit shrouds or something) to ensure an even challenge for both the pvp and the contested NPCs.

Edit: Pets and berserkers being pretty much unusable in here is also pretty lame. Is there any way to disable friendly fire from partied players?


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 05, 2013, 05:16:04 pm
I saw a multiboxer wipe him out in about 2 minutes.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Griz on January 05, 2013, 05:21:35 pm
Was it someone in a lot of T7 gear already? I was only able to use 5 of my characters since my mage's pet kept going ballistic and killing my guys instead of him. I normally have the DPS to kill shadow pretty quickly (he has 50M HP) and yet I estimate the gem guy has about 1 billion (so, 20 shadows or 10 warlords). He literally doesn't do anything but stand there and hit for 1000 damage which is less than anyone with at least T2 gear will regen. If that's your desire for what you want the fight to be, then okay, but for 95% of the players who would consider attacking him, it's gonna be "autoattack with all characters, go surf the web or do something else, hope you don't get ganked"


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Griz on January 05, 2013, 05:25:29 pm
Killing him in 2 minutes would take 8.3 million dps, so that's basically 2 groups of monks/wizards with ninjastrike 9 augs and/or UC2s/mana necklaces. Also because his AC is so high and he seems to resist everything that isn't strike augs (and perhaps wizard nukes?), for instance he was resisting all my tempest blade procs, I doubt people will actually be doing their normal dps on him.

I mean, I run with a bard and even singing war march/etc and having about 5.5k ATK, my ranger was doing minimum bow hits about 80% of the time.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Bobbin on January 05, 2013, 07:40:02 pm
My primary issue with the NPC is that there's no way to know when he's going to spawn. If you're zoning, or chewing through a bunch of mobs, chances are good the single announcement will get missed. I've looted the gem twice now--both times were uncontested. The server needs to know when it's going to spawn beforehand if we want players to actually duke it out. Either way, it's a fun thing to check on log in. Thanks, Hunter!

As an aside, I don't think anyone will be looting that gem outside of T6/7, or an extremely wealthy T5. With a billion hitpoints, there's no way some noob is going to kill it before someone does a /who overthere and catches them at it. I think this was already addressed, though--possibility of a few other flagged pvp zones.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Raygan on January 06, 2013, 05:08:30 am
Grats 500k pp gem :)

I was pleased that nobody came and killed me when I went afk autoattacking him to make lunch :|

•No bot / afk farming


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Natedog on January 06, 2013, 05:10:59 am
I saw a multiboxer wipe him out in about 2 minutes.


I've seen a wizard run in and wipe out an entire raid! =p


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Griz on January 06, 2013, 12:17:53 pm
•No bot / afk farming

Hey, I came back before he was dead! If you are gonna tell me you've never taken a brief afk during a long (10+ min) fight on this server, I will call you a liar.

I'm pretty sure the "no afk farming" means "Don't afk with your 4.0 pet out in PoFire overnight" and "Don't macro farm gems/SLSes)


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Strix on January 07, 2013, 10:59:07 pm
Hey Hunter

I seem to recall SoE playing with the idea of a player being able to play NPCs in various zones back when EQ was still new.  It was a trial that didn't last long and for some reason they only did once when I played live.  I do recall it being a blast of fun tho. 

Would it be possible for the PvP zone to have a feature that would allow players to do that?  From memory the NPC that spawned for a player was based on their lvl (ie. A T7 player might spawn as OMM in the PvP zone).  Obviously players that choose to play this way in the zone would forfeit loot as the NPC that spawns is only alive for the duration of the play session (at least that's how I remember it working).

Just a thought :)

Strix


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Gannicus on January 07, 2013, 11:06:44 pm
Hey Hunter

I seem to recall SoE playing with the idea of a player being able to play NPCs in various zones back when EQ was still new.  It was a trial that didn't last long and for some reason they only did once when I played live.  I do recall it being a blast of fun tho. 

Would it be possible for the PvP zone to have a feature that would allow players to do that?  From memory the NPC that spawned for a player was based on their lvl (ie. A T7 player might spawn as OMM in the PvP zone).  Obviously players that choose to play this way in the zone would forfeit loot as the NPC that spawns is only alive for the duration of the play session (at least that's how I remember it working).

Just a thought :)

Strix

You dinosaur you Strix aha just kidding I remember that too. I don't know how it works at all honestly anymore but could be a fun idea for PVP here.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Strix on January 07, 2013, 11:20:59 pm
You dinosaur you Strix aha just kidding I remember that too. I don't know how it works at all honestly anymore but could be a fun idea for PVP here.

hehe :D

I had images of all these guys blasting bejesus out of each other trying to hide from other players when a pack of Gollums wades into the frey. 

Make you think tiwce about ignoring the environment :D


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 08, 2013, 12:23:02 am
After next reboot Jewelry_Collector with 500k pp gem will have 0 AC instead of the 15,000 AC it had.


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: marxist on January 13, 2013, 02:38:09 am
the big chicken? guessing it spawns from running away?


Title: Re: EZ PVP ZONE!
Post by: Hunter on January 13, 2013, 04:04:16 am
I think it was a Thanksgiving Event that Secrets made a while back.